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PhantomGuitarist says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
The new Mertz seems like quite a large pill. No longer brain shaped either…..

Snugganut, volunteers for what? The last time I did medical trials I grew an ear on my forehead!
B.Priest says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
“They would rather be robbed, than be seen wearing something less-trendy” (from a report in the daily mail newspaper about ipod theft, easily recognised by the white headphones)
Artificial Ingredients says:
April 15th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Click here if you want to see some Weatherman footage. http://www.youtube.com/user/processedbeef
Artificial Ingredients says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:55 am
re:#1
Thats no pill, look at the shape. Mertz® is now a suppository!
It works faster that way.
Christian says:
April 16th, 2009 at 8:11 am
Here’s a little something more regarding the economic situation:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/usTopNews/idUKTRE53F00Y20090416
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 16th, 2009 at 9:34 am
I was a little tired last night. Yes definitely a suppository. Oh deary me. Take only as directed, indeed…
vincent cannata says:
April 16th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
I see “These Guys Are From England & …..” is no longer at the iTunes store! Were you asked to remove it?
On an unrelated topic, who gonna see the HBO movie “Grey Gardens”? I don’t have HBO, but I’d like to see hoe Drew does….
argyle.fraternity says:
April 18th, 2009 at 11:44 am
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b119279_U2_s_The_Edge__Malibu_s_Least_Wanted.html
Greg Falkingham says:
April 20th, 2009 at 1:06 am
Severed Heads!!!
Big Car!!!

Once again HRWD tickles another nerdgasm. You know, I remember at the time being slightly disappointed by the ‘Rotund For Success’ album. I know Ellard said at the time that the band was headed towards ‘the point of commercial no return’. At the very least, Severed Heads didn’t embarrass themselves nearly as badly as Cabaret Voltaire did during that same time period.
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 20th, 2009 at 7:02 am
1989 already….

So now, the end is near, and I face the final curtain (haha)

I will miss HRWD when it is finally done.
cakes says:
April 20th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
So, I’ll let the cat out of the bag——
How Television Was Done -should be starting in june with the year 1954.
Get your VCRs ready to record from the computer…..
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 23rd, 2009 at 3:28 am
TV on the Radio, would be a good name for a band. Oh, there is already a band with that name.

I was thinking that there was a possibility this might be the next series, however it may just alienate even the most hardcore OTE fans.
Rich in Washington says:
April 24th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Don,
Izzy,

At the risk of sounding like an idiot telling someone how to do their art, I have really been enjoying this stroll through radio history.
I hope it doesn’t end with 1989.
Radio was still being done in the 90′s, some of it potentially historic. No one really remembers it, either.
I listened to lots of talk radio in the 90′s, mainly due to having to share a common radio with coworkers.
What I remember:

- The rise of conservative talk radio (Rush, et al)
- More on Howard Stern
- The rebirth and career rehab of Don Imus as a “political junkie”.
- Art Bell. period.
- Pre-Millennial conspiracy and UFO talk radio (Area 51, black helicopters, etc.).
- Monica Lewinski and Bill Clinton’s penis all the time on talk radio.
- Tom Liekis (sic?), who used to be pretty frank about how the radio biz works and how he cleaned up providing an alternative to the ‘All Monica/Clinton all the time’ format on talk radio.
- Art Bell’s culpability in the Heaven’s Gate Suicides.

And probably a whole lot more that I don’t remember.

Just planting seeds.
vincent cannata says:
April 24th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Ugh, but what about all the awful MUSIC during that time. I don’t think I can sit through aLL THAT AGAIN!!
Izzy Isn't says:
April 24th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Re HRWD:
Alright, alright, but I’ve got to stop. I know the 90s was just as half full of interesting things, but most of you can remember the 90s yourselves Without my help! Be a radio… But seriously yolks,
HRWD has been a challenge and a chore, but it’s nature (all mix material from one year at a time)necessitates certain narrow restraints (Whatever I happen to have or find from a single year gone by) that is like a straight jacket on the live radio improv mix that OTE always was.
I need to get back to that, at least for awhile, or go crazy. Themes, not years.
So next week, April 30, a five hour show, will be the final episode of HRWD on OTE. Two weeks later I’ll be back with some other idea entirely, and then come up with a new one every week. A challenge and a chore… At least for a while.
(Warning: This type of show can fail even easier.)

But thanks for listening!
Izzy
Izzy Isn't says:
April 24th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
PS
I am sort of proud of the fact that HRWD is a radio series that’s just too long for anyone to ever listen to it all again. How many lives do you have?
Izzy
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 25th, 2009 at 3:36 am
RIP HRWD.

The King of Radio is dead, Long Live the King of Radio.

I feel kind of sad that 1989 will be a short year. Then again, I was only 10 at the time so have a limited memory. I liked Jive Bunny a couple of weeks ago. An early(ish) example of mashup, that was in the charts (in the UK at least).
SatanMamal says:
April 25th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Hey Butthole Surfers what was it like playing with Negativland years eve 2008? Hey negativland what was it like playing with the Butthole Surfers years eve 2008? I might have passed a kidney stone to be there.
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 25th, 2009 at 9:28 am
All hail The Irritant!!!

http://www.motionbox.com/video/show/3097dbb9191de7c1be/1c8a9580eae06d79
vincent cannata says:
April 25th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Best of luck to you, Mr. Izzn’t.

I will be listening, no matter what.
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 25th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
re 20

A return to the glory days of OTE will be welcomed. Pity about the delay, but here in Blighty there was always gonna be a delay. I’m gonna try to tap into receptacle programming.

I am 30 come the end of May.
Greg Falkingham says:
April 26th, 2009 at 10:07 am
I always hesitate when it comes to deciding to pass these sorts of things along. For one, there is the real possibility that no one cares. Secondly, that these are the words of someone other than myself, and it isn’t a great sign of cleverness to simply cut and paste.

On the other hand, as we contemplate the return of OTE as it once was (?), it begs the question of what that even means for a project that has existed for over a quarter of a century. There are very few people who could speak to an issue like this (as in, doing what Negativland were doing in roughly the same time period), and even fewer who actually do. And so I pass along the latest blog posting by Tom Ellard (I hate the leave the impression that I’m all-Ellard-all-the-time, but it isn’t like Richard H Kirk is out there posting blogs out of WesterWorks.com or something).

New!
April 25th, 2009 · No Comments

Some 12 years ago a fellow looked me in the eye and said, “You used to be ahead of everything!”

This was a low moment in a low period. It was a few years since the band had fallen from a Top 20 single to no label, no money, no audience in an impressively rapid decline. One moment we were top of the craft – next moment the style of music we represented was ‘dated’ and I was selling gear to eat. The local label had folded in a heap, our producer member was dead and our Canadian label had earlier tested the air, dumped anything with a synthesiser and invested heavily in grrrl rock. Which you would, if survival was your first instinct.

My instinct was to just keep doing what we did before labels and singles and all that. But the young audience wasn’t there. They had heard a ‘new thing’ – and it was Seattle Grunge Rock. The older ones were breeding. We’d play, but they just wouldn’t come. After a while we just did The Big Day Out as a yearly guerilla video ambush on the littlies. And after that there was just no fun in it any more. We stopped. That’s when the photos stop in the sevcom archive.

“You used to be ahead of everything!” He was sure that was the transgression that had earned this decline. All we had to do was …

I looked at him and frantically ran through my head just how I was going to somehow be ahead of everything again. It was difficult to work out as ‘everything’ was at that stage entering into what we now know to be ‘just about anything’. True, electronic music was something you scraped off your shoe, but being ahead of Nirvana was like out dancing your mum. Music had regressed 20 years. What was their secret manoeuvre that I had to discover? Surely it wasn’t just a flight back to ‘good old rock n roll’?

netsca1

Meanwhile we had lost our labels so we started selling our music online through SDF, almost apologetically. Sorry people we’re not cool any more. Starting with a disc bitterly called severything. Back then there was no Pay Pal or anything like that so we had people fax us their orders or mail them. Sometimes we’d give away those new ‘mp3 files’ on the web. The first album we did only online was Haul Ass financed by the good people listed on the sleeve. That was 1998.

About 3 years later I realised all that was actually ahead of, well not everything, but let’s just remember that sevcom.com is older than google.com

netsca1

But this isn’t a triumphant story where we prove somebody wrong. It’s actually an unsolved puzzle because the notion of being ‘ahead’ has gone the way of the polka. Now you can be electronic or grunge or whatever the hell. There’s no-one ahead, no future. You’re just an atom in a plasma. His complaint turned out to be about music.

Over the last decade I’ve watched the young start to pick up the synthesisers again and (I have say with a hint of sadness) ape the music that we all made a long time ago. They particularly like the old analogue equipment with which they make old analogue music. The radio is filled with 1983, alongside a whole bunch of other decades – just not this one.

And letters are starting to arrive. Tell us about the Old Times. Tell us about ‘post punk’. Do you have any videos you can show? (No but I have a bit of Super-8). Help us reclaim this lost horizon…

Once required to be ahead, I’m now supposed to be some giant knee on which witty historical anecdotes will be told to children. They want me to do anything BUT try to find new ways. Stay back there locked in the past. Sure I can remember the highs for you, but I can also remember being thrown out once used, and few people giving a damn. I spent the next decade moving on, and it obviously raises some hackles to have all that movement ignored in a tidy historical ‘youth orientated’ summary. And what can I really say? We did what we did then for reasons that no longer exist. No matter what gear you might collect the moment is lost.

Or I’m dead wrong. I have some students that have decided to work on live video synthesis but not with new computer based tools. They have seen work by Botborg and they want to work early 90’s style. I scratched my head until John Gillies told me he still had some old video gear stashed away. I showed the students how to wire up cables to fuck up a MX-30 vision mixer (to make it feedback into the digital store). For me it was like trying to recall an incantation from the age of legends. For them it is … that’s where I don’t know what it is. Like oil painting?

The letters from researchers, the teaching of young artists, occasional offers to pay the band to re-emerge for ‘hits and memories’ – these things are now a challenge equivalent to the comment 12 years ago. So the past gets misrepresented in the process of starting anew. Do I refuse to be made into a cartoon even if that might be the best way to kick things along for a new wave of artists?

Pride or service?
B.Priest says:
April 26th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
music should not concern itself with the past/future, only the present matters, “trends” are just a way labels and bands to promote and sell stuff. i think once you start trying to be ahead, you are fucked, because trends/fashions come and go, its disposable, its not a game of who did what first, just do what you want, and fuck everything else
vincent cannata says:
April 26th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Nice post (22)….. HOWEVER, if “We’ll Be Right Back” tells me anything… it shows the Neg/OTE ‘style’ can fly over any style, any ‘trend’, and subject, and STILL be relevant, thought-provoking, even humorous! Music has been destroyed by Disney, and the car companies. ( In fact, after seeing that car commercial that says, “Play band: Tones On Tail), I’m surprised the car companies didn’t decide to ‘get into’ the music biz, just to make a couple’a extra bucks!
Then again, maybe we were ALL duped into thinking music was anything more than a product!……
On the Steve Hoffman forum, I stated that the ‘mash-up’ was the only new form of music, and I was booed for thinking something that was ‘created’, and given away for free could possibly be as important as their favorite ‘rock bands’!
So, there you go.
B.Priest says:
April 26th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
yes music has been destroyed, but until it ignores trends, sales, it will continue to be a product, for me it is art, not product
black sabbath says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
pastor dick is a prostitiute
Izzy Isn't says:
April 28th, 2009 at 12:28 am
Thanks for the thoughts, Greg #22, very thoughtful.
Izzy.
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 30th, 2009 at 4:17 am
Last ever HRWD tonight, or tomorrow morning in this Time Zone. Do you know how many time zones there are in the UK? ONE!!!!

With the baby sharing the room the PC is in I am unlikely to catch it live, so am hoping it comes on the OTE archive page pretty soon.

Looking forward to new OTE, and come on guys it’s been at least 6 months or so since you last released an album, pull your finger out!!!! hehehe
Christian says:
May 3rd, 2009 at 12:36 pm
It’s getting a bit quiet here and I don’t want to just start quoting Negativland samples. It seems to me there couldn’t be a much more appropriate (pun intended) site to share found sounds.

So, here are mp3 rips of a pair of short cassettes I found in a thrift store:
http://drop.io/LaurelCommunications

Anyone else?
B.Priest says:
May 3rd, 2009 at 1:34 pm
yes try this tom(ato) jones abomination i “remixed” http://drop.io/LaurelCommunications/asset/11-the-tandoori-man-sells-his-soul-mp3
Christian says:
May 4th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
I was thinking more along the lines of unaltered finds, but I’m not going to complain, and I’m glad I left the Add function enabled.

Here’s another short cassette I found at the same thrift store:
http://drop.io/LaurelCommunications/asset/nicole-ann-cohen-voice-over-demo-mp3
muffy says:
May 6th, 2009 at 12:38 am
i tried to click link to dick
but got:

Forbidden

You don’t have permission to access /dick/ on this server.

… any way to access “dick”? – thx
dear muffy says:
May 6th, 2009 at 4:54 am
It’s possible that if the “dick” section is empty you’ll get the same response .
PhantomGuitarist says:
May 6th, 2009 at 6:01 am
re 32 & 33.

He’s a private dick.
KI6IQK says:
May 7th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
If your interested in jamming, this repeater gets ridiculous…. http://www.shoutcast.com/genre/Ham
find Laura’s favorite and click the “tune in” button
147.435 mhz in southern california
Just Sayin' says:
May 7th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
A lawsuit is what an attorney wears to court.
vincent cannata says:
May 9th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
When does he were his ORDER-suit?
Just Sayin' says:
May 10th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
The food is good, but there’s no atmosphere!
vincent cannata says:
May 11th, 2009 at 11:58 am
“I’ll take two TAX-burgers. withhold the lettuce.” – Homer Simpson.
Just Sayin' says:
May 11th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
I want a piece of meat.
PhantomGuitarist says:
May 11th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
I wouldn’t direct any actor in Shakespeare like this.
adam says:
May 11th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
so, i guess there’s like 4 of us who use this thing? Should we all get jobs or what?
Mr. Edge says:
May 11th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Yes, I had higher hopes for WAH, but the principle is still sound! GET IT?
Perhaps if all the mere quippers with Neg quotes went to work, only the more thoughtfully unemployed will be left to WAH.
Greg Falkingham says:
May 12th, 2009 at 12:15 am
I guess it’s a tricky thing, because for all practical purposes, Write Anything Here isn’t that far removed from the guest books that web sites used to feature before message boards and all that. Is the written word enough to stimulate the internet masses these days? Social networking for the anti-social? Bursts of art with all the permanence of an etch-a-sketch? The point and purpose of WAH is tantalizing, but it is always easier to fall back on old internet habits when confronted with such a blank canvas.
adam says:
May 12th, 2009 at 2:57 am
I still find interesting records at the thrift store for a buck.
Even though this particular store is infested with hipsters, they don’t seem to go for the vinyl(records). Johnny Cash- you can have it. In fact, you can have it quite often on the radio. There must have been a gigantic barrage of mediocre albums being relentlessly pumped out during the late 50′s early 60′s.BUT, they can have much more character than the mass appeal contemporary music of today. You can find ALMOST anything on the web nowadays; This makes a good find -a real gem.
Support your local second hand store by donating your trash into someone’s gold mine.
PhantomGuitarist says:
May 12th, 2009 at 8:56 am
In 12 days I’ll be 30
The 24th of May
Excuse me getting shirty
When my hair is going grey
Should I grow up and stop posting
On Write Anything Here
When I should be composing
My own music career?

If I’m getting breathless
Should I quit the smoke?
The lungs on the back of the packet
Suggest perhaps I should

So how to end this poem
That suddenly ceased to rhyme
Buggered if I know
I’ll try harder next time….
Christian says:
May 12th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Okay, on the Weatherman’s blog a few months ago I mentioned an open reel home recording I found and mark/negativland requested I share it. I don’t think many heard it, so, since I still have the mp3 lying around, I’ve uploaded it.

http://drop.io/LaurelCommunications/asset/on-top-of-the-world-mp3
Jack Marshmallow says:
May 12th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Just heard a snippet of Bono’s “American Dad, annotated” on a trailer on BBC Radio 4, which will apparently be “woven into an atmospheric soundscape.” Innovative concept there, Bono!

From The Guardian: “Radio 4 is to broadcast a poem by Bono, a life-long Elvis fan, written in 1995, in a tribute programme on May 13.”

Will we be hearing excerpts of this “woven into” future episodes of Over The Edge perhaps?
Jack Marshmallow says:
May 12th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
“American David**”, even
Greg Falkingham says:
May 12th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
It’d be better if it was American Dad. “Good morning, U.S.A…”
Mr. Edge says:
May 14th, 2009 at 1:01 am
re: #44
YES! More blank canvases! Resist direction!
adam says:
May 14th, 2009 at 1:02 am
American Dad the cartoon??
By the way……….
Im listening to a remarkable OTE from 5 or 10 years ago called “New Waves in Science”. I think its a Quantum Church production. The guest has an “accent” and the content is quite interesting. If it’s available as a download I highly recommend checking it out- if you like to stretch you head around nonfiction fiction.
PhantomGuitarist says:
May 14th, 2009 at 8:32 am
If your breasts are too big you will fall over
Unless you wear a rucksack
B.Priest says:
May 14th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
“I don’t care if the pope did bless it, you’re not dngling that through my letter-box without a stamp”
B.Priest says:
May 14th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
sorry, meant “dangling that through my letter-box…
Just Sayin' says:
May 15th, 2009 at 11:21 am
What is it you want? In the DEPTHS of your ignorance, what is it you want?
vincent cannata says:
May 16th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
First time hearing “Were An Industrial Band” on OTE!!
I remember, back in the ’80′s, a friend of mine saying how funny it was!
B.Priest says:
May 17th, 2009 at 4:21 am
Can you polish a turd?
Attack Baby says:
May 17th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Have you seen the devil’s panties?
PhantomGuitarist says:
May 19th, 2009 at 5:22 am
http://www.allinhishead.co.uk

saw the above on a TV ad. What a disappointment.
Greg Falkingham says:
May 19th, 2009 at 10:48 am
re: #57

It was the first time I’d ever heard the song myself. Given the success of other tongue-in-cheek hits, like Fad Gadget’s ‘Collapsing New People’ and ‘Everyday Is Halloween’ by Ministry, I can’t help but think it was a bit of a missed opportunity to not, you know, actually make the song in an Industrial style. They would have had the jump on KMFDM by nearly a decade (referring to ‘Lite’ and ‘Sucks’). As it is, the version of ‘American Band’ by Nash The Slash has more of that flavor to it than this.

All of which is more or less academic at this point. I remember a magazine review for Skinny Puppy’s ‘Mythmaker’ that began by asking, ‘Who listens to Industrial music these days anyway? The people who still make it, I guess’. The funny thing is, it was mostly a positive review, who applauded the boys for being in a point in their career where they can make the kind of music they want to make regardless of current trends.

Back when Download put out ‘The Eyes of Stanley Pain’ album, I kinda hoped that there was a chance for the genre to be reborn (yet again). It seemed like there was an interesting avenue to be taken by embracing some of the sonic chaos that originally informed the genre when it was created by Throbbing Gristle and Cabaret Voltaire. But, by that point, it was already reduced to just a form of European dance music. The writing was already on the wall by the time ‘Pretty Hate Machine’ came out. ‘The Eyes of Stanley Pain’ was a last spasm against the rising tide -the next Download albums would be ‘Electronica’.
vincent cannata says:
May 19th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Well, sure enough, when I heard “Pretty Hate…” , I thought it was just “Twitch” w/ a guy who sounded like Phil Collins on vocals!!! And, so now, looking back, Grandpa Al did the right thing; shifting away from the style he helped to create, only to change AGAIN to Mr. HARD ROCK, when Nitzer Ebb came along.
Oh, and another thing about last week’s OTE; to me, that Bongwater song Izzy played, along with The Flaming Lips “Shine On Sweet Jesus” were the last ‘college’ songs I liked before ‘grunge’ took over the land! I gave up on music after having that Nirvana forced down my ear-holes!
B. Cosgrove says:
May 19th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
http://drop.io/23Minutes4043/asset/23minutesfull-mp3

I was with some friends a few years back when a European (Dutch, I think) man began witnessing towards us. He talked about how he had met Jesus and how we could too. After about 20 minutes and him realising he wasn’t going to convert us, he left us with a few copies of this CD.

It’s called 23 Minutes in Hell, although it runs for almost an hour. I haven’t listened to it since I came accross it, but I recall it being pretty interesting. Enjoy.

PS. This drop.io thing is really neat, so thanks to Christian.
PhantomGuitarist says:
May 20th, 2009 at 6:09 am
re 63

All the God Mob I ever encounter want you to ‘make a donation’ in order to get their wacky CD’s.

I have downloaded the file, and will listen tonight probably. I hope it doesn’t convert me.

I used to watch the God Channel, but it started to really frighten me how much faith was put in some of those maniacs you see claiming to be healers etc. I stopped watching the psychics shows for the same reason.

There is a book by a guy named Christopher Brookmyre, called ‘Attack Of the Unsinkabble Rubber Ducks’ – a novel, which has very interesting things to say on the subject of psychics, their tricks of the trade, and the whole life after dead thing.
PhantomGuitarist says:
May 20th, 2009 at 6:53 am
PS – I clicked Submit too quick…

Why I mention the Brookmyre book is that I have the abridged audio that I will upload somewhere incase anyone is interested.

I’m liking the idea of WAH becoming a kind of share interesting finds or audio with each other place.
Izzy Isn't says:
May 20th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Also, leave it up for a long, long time – WAH as an archive of active links, hot dogs!
Greg Falkingham says:
May 20th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Oh, such an invitation to mayhem…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kHCcDHPhjw

I should point out that I’m offering this link mostly for its audio content. I’m not proud enough of my amateur video editing skills for that, and my approach for the stuff I’ve posted on YouTube so far has been just a mechanism to deliver the audio. Not surprisingly, it has all escaped the YouTube copywrite filters.
Henrwhere says:
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:37 am
Where is the agnesws insainasylum sample from, Free happy the harmonica?
Featherduster says:
May 23rd, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Izzy-Thanks for the promotion! Stir the Stumps has increased my profit margin by 11% in 2 days.
Mike says:
May 23rd, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Hi, nice posts there thank’s for the interesting information
RichardOn says:
May 26th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Interesting site, but much advertisments on him. Shall read as subscription, rss.
chainsaw says:
May 26th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
http://lyrics.rare-lyrics.com/N/Negativland/Car-Bomb.html

some kind of sick ironic humor – no lyrics, just a DCMA takedown notice
negativland says:
May 27th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Re: 71 – The only things we’re advertising is Mertz and us. Try to find either.
And speaking of search, Does anyone out there know of anyone in the S.F. Bay Area who can repair analog cart machines? Contact me v.email with any suggestions or contact information. Analog cart machines – electrically dead. MUCH appreciated.
PhantomGuitarist says:
May 28th, 2009 at 8:15 am
I’m guessing the Weatherman is purely cable porn and boopers then.
vincent cannata says:
May 30th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
“the Japanese sections of Europe”! Sounds like a band name!
Adjective Noun says:
May 31st, 2009 at 3:02 am
Everything is a band name.
Christian says:
May 31st, 2009 at 8:05 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everything_(band)
MrAntagonism says:
May 31st, 2009 at 11:05 pm
I have a question,when will the All In Your Head 2.0 with the Dallas show be released?I am anxiously awaiting its arrival.Also,I am sure you know this,but the delay is excruciating when trying to call in with the phone fidelity….being in Texas,it is what…15 seconds,then another 2 hours…hell of a delay.Trying to listen on the phone receiver is weird,the show mix is quiet and far away while my input is loud…makes level setting and listening a task,but I will not give up sir.I will prevail.(any tips on boosting the sound from the receiver would be greatly appreciated)
MrAntagonism says:
May 31st, 2009 at 11:11 pm
p.s. I have a request for a couple shows to appear in the archives….from 91 maybe?92?there was a show called “What God Wrought”,and a show I think just before that…a driving theme?There was a sample with a guy saying something like..”The cops are always after me”or something…and also the telephone show from that period…(yes kids,its the telephone)
walterhunt says:
June 1st, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Happy Birthday, Mr. PhantomGuitarist.

And also, I would like to take an oppertunity to thank all eleven of you on this WAH for all the cool links and things. I have always felt that NegativFans are nice people (I live in Olympia, WA [in the United States] and there is a surpisingly large amount of fans here).

And thank you to Negativland, Mr. Isn’t, Mr. Bendix and of course C. Elliot Friday and everyone at the Universal Media Netweb for the decades of delicously dedicated excellence. In all seriousness, I have loved the work of Negativland ever since I stumbled accross a used cassette of ‘The Weatherman’s Dumb, Stupid Come-Out Line’ at a Value Village. It’s wonderful to see a band not afraid to buck conventions (including everything from how music should sound [or How Radio is Done] to the basic concepts of copyright and fair-use) and it is delightfully ironic to see the same “subversive” techinques adopted by the mainstream musical landscape.

Amyway, this is turning into a bit of a rant. I just wanted to express my gratitude and wish everyone the best of luck in their future endeavors.
Adjective Noun says:
June 1st, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Mr Antagonism
You did some cool shows in the early 90′s as well if I recall. Were you part of the Mr Pumpkinhead show?
izzy Isn't says:
June 1st, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Re: #78
Yes, the phones are screwed since KPFA put in the broadcast delay. So now, unfortunately, the little speaker in your phone is the only way to be in real time in the mix. Some have hooked headphones up to their phone output and use the phone like a microphone for better listening.

Re: #79
Yes, MANY MANY good old shows are not up yet but we have them and they will eventually appear. Hope it’s not too late.

Re: #80
Thanks much. Comments similar to this make all this work very much worthwhile.
Rich in Washington says:
June 1st, 2009 at 5:26 pm
I’ve often wondered why broadcast delay devices can’t be taken off-line after ten, where nothing’s indecent or obscene. I think it’s just radio engineering staff being fussy and obstinate. It sure plays hell with trying to do stuff with people over the air in a live way. And forget about doing live simulcasts with local public access TV!
MrAntagonism says:
June 1st, 2009 at 6:42 pm
#81-Yes,I am that MrAntagonism…part of the blatant OTE rip of…errrr…tribute known as The Mr. Pumpkinhead Show,which was kind of in place before I got there,and sporadically appears now and then since,but I got it a regular timeslot for a while there.We had some good moments,and some I would rather not remember,but I could NOT have done it without the influence of OTE and Negativland.Now I am in Texas,and radio here is a vast wasteland of Mexican radio,Religious programming,Sports Talk,and every bad format you would never want to hear.Even the College radio is bad,rich kids with bland indie taste playing dj….turrible.

I have to be content with performing in a 3 piece weird experimental group where I play samples,circuit bent toys,theremin like devices,and such through guitar pedals and other effects devices…while fun,it lacks a certain something that having a regular nonpaid professional job in radio had.Thanks for the kind words though. Mr.A
Adjective Noun says:
June 1st, 2009 at 11:18 pm
RE:#84
I stumbled upon the pumpkinhead show one night after ingesting psychedelics. I had never even heard of Negativland, so I thought the samples being played of the weatherman was some kind of muppet or something.

A few months later we had more psychedelics and at the end of the night (while tuning a different frequency than KFJC ) I heard that voice again. This time it was live on some show called Dateline w/ Dr. Norway? So I called in and have been hooked ever since.
I still love OTE even though I quit the drugs.
Glad to hear your still weird Mr. A
MrAntagonism says:
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:39 am
One last Mr. Pumpkinhead comment,J.C. Clone was the founder of the show,and let me take the reins while I was there,and it was with him at times,and Gordon(who was the owner of those Weatherman samples…he has some inner connection with the Weatherman I think)…but Gordon and I had a synergy that worked so well together,we would work from two separate studios,I worked the main mix,while he did phone duty and embellishment to the whole deal….Gordon was very instrumental in making the whole show work,but I admire Don’s ability to work a cart machine and other devices,he is a true master.

I got to witness an ote show in studio once,and watched as Don threaded a reel to reel loop through 3 reel to reel machines mounted in the studio wall,and then watched him take callers and add them to the loop in some sort of frippertronics tape loop round robin…

The turning point for me as a caller to OTE that made me decide to go get a show of my own was the “We can help you”show of 92…or early 93.I had one 15-20 minute sample conversation with several taped voices going back and forth,seemingly random,but working like a well oiled machine….the best part of doing this kind of stuff is the happy accidents that happen,you can only plan so much,but it is those unexpected serendipitous events that just make it so worthwhile.

Thank you to Negativland,and Don especially for forever changing the course of my creative life.Mr.A
Adjective Noun says:
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:15 am
I agree 100%.
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:22 am
re 80: Thanks mate.
J. D. Mack says:
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Is there a way to make a pledge to KPFA that specifically goes to support “Over The Edge”?
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:35 am
re 89: Buy an OTE download if you wish to donate directly to Negativland. Or one of the many great albums.

I should get a promo job.
MrAntagonism says:
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:36 am
Just send bags of unmarked bills directly to Izzy,I am sure he will distribute the gains fairly amongst the many voices and personalities that make up Over The Edge,or would Crosley be better to trust financially?
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 4th, 2009 at 6:12 am
Omer D Edge is the most trustworthy I think.
Negativland says:
June 4th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Buying directly from our website supports us directly (THANK YOU!) but donating to KPFA is critical too. No radio station, no radio show, simple as that. And KPFA is about the last station on Earth that still supports free form broadcasting without constraints, guidance, or censorship. You may not like everything they do, (I don’t) but that’s not the point of supporting it. It’s crucial to keep such a free spirit station alive and open in the 21st Century, where something rogue like OTE, whenever it comes along, can actually still happen in mass media.
J. D. Mack says:
June 4th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
OK, I just made a pledge to KPFA. And in the comments section of the pledge form, I told them how great Over The Edge is (which I listen to as a podcast each week).
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 5th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
I can’t make my mind up at all. If only there was a handy medication to help me….
FoxJudsf says:
June 5th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
Good, interesting article, but where took information?
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 9th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Nearing a ton again. Chapter Six, anyone?
Kalebarkab says:
June 9th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
I want to find good pop music. Help me please.
Hoosier says:
June 9th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
I wonder if President Obama knows how much people are counting on him. On the other hand there is radio to bring us relief. Thank….
what’s his name!
MrAntagonism says:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:33 am
Music organization pushes unjust tax on radio airplay
By Cathy Rought, spokeswoman, Free Radio Alliance
Posted: 04/27/09 06:54 PM [ET]
In his letter to The Hill (“Radio must change its tune on paying royalties to artists,” April 1), SoundExchange Executive Director John Simson wrote about “fairness” and the plight of artists in trying to sell this tax on local radio. Yet his organization is sitting on more than $100 million of artists’ assets — claiming they cannot find the artists to distribute the royalties. At the same time, they are pushing for a performance tax on local radio, at least half of which would end up in the labels’ pockets.

The record labels love to talk about what radio pays in other countries and to compare America to Iran, China and North Korea. What the labels leave out is the funding inequities that American public radio experiences. And while commercial radio stations from other countries may be partially or wholly subsidized by the government and subject to government-mandated content quotas, American commercial radio is managed by private entities and reflects the variety of local voices in the communities they serve.

Further, sound recordings are protected by copyright law for 95 years in the U.S. — far longer than in many other countries. In addition, the U.S. recording industry, without a performance tax, is larger than that of the U.K., France, Germany, Canada, Australia, Italy, Spain and Mexico combined, all of which have performance fee regimes.

Why is SoundExchange so hung up on other countries? Because in other countries, a performance tax benefits the record producers much more than the artists. And in most European countries, a minimum of 77 percent of the total fees are distributed only to the 20 percent of the top earning performers. Great for Britney Spears, not so great for someone like Justin Jones or Deleted Scenes.

Let’s not forget that major artists would have never reached the level of success they have without the airplay of radio. Radio airplay helps generate between $1.5 billion and $2.4 billion a year in music sales. Mr. Simson alleges the data supporting those figures has been “destroyed,” when, in fact, the data is owned by Arbitron and is available for purchase by anyone interested and willing to pay Arbitron for access to that proprietary information. I guess SoundExchange isn’t interested in paying, despite sitting on that $100 million in assets that belongs to artists they “haven’t found.”

Then again, the record labels’ push to impose a performance tax has never been about truth or fairness. It’s about making an inside-the-Beltway play for something most local communities don’t — and won’t — support. 235 million Americans rely on local radio for local news, disaster information and for help in their community; many of them tune in for music, too. At a time when local communities are suffering so much in this economy, Congress should not put in jeopardy the 106,000 jobs that exist because of radio in order to benefit the foreign-owned record labels. The performance tax legislation is something America just can’t afford.

Washington

If guns are rationed, restrict Rendell too
vincent cannata says:
June 10th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Like the record industry has any sway to tell anybody to do anything anymore!!
HealThoid says:
June 10th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Interesting… But what sign on novelties of the news?
Greg Falkingham says:
June 11th, 2009 at 8:57 am
“But Trent, your post count on your own forum is 42. That’s kind of underwhelming for somebody who is bitching about their interactions with the great unwashed. I must have racked up thousands of posts over the 16 or so years we ran discussion areas and I did my damned best to make the majority of those years kick arse, because I am stupid and do things I love even when no one cool is watching.

If you are for real then I’ve got some advice for you: close down your band. Do something else. It won’t kill you, in fact you might be much happier. Sure, you ‘ll miss being Angry Cyberdude, but its all getting a little smelly now isn’t it.” – Tom Ellard’s recent advice to Trent Reznor.

I promised myself I wouldn’t do the whole copy-pasta thing anymore; and I won’t, but this particular part stuck me as something I had to pass along for a variety of reasons.

For one, I recently second-guessed the purpose and nature of Write Anything Here. In a way, regardless of the quality of the output, it is kinda summed up in the line about doing thing we love even when no one is watching.

As I see it, that statement even pertains to Over The Edge and Negativland itself. I think, at least since Dispepsi and the ‘Sonic Outlaws’ film, it has been a very very long time since the public eye has turned towards them. I remember back during the ‘True/False’ tour doing a kind of online review of the Toronto show, and someone remarking with surprise that the band even still existed.

If it were a commercial enterprise, then I think the issue would be more troubling. The only reason Front 242 still carts its carcass around Europe these days is because it makes them money. As it is, I think what is interesting about Negativland is that they have continued to find a reason to exist as an artist venture purely for their own reasons. The people who didn’t want to be in Negativland anymore did the very sensible thing and left. And OTE, whatever its genesis might have been, now feels very much like a product of personal expression -a kind of audio blog without the pesky narcissism.

As for Tom and Trent, who knows really? Tom’s been doing the ‘angry cyberdude’ thing for as long as I’ve been on the internet -but he’s always been aware of that, and it has been part of the fun in tracking his online presence. With Trent, I have not been keeping up at all. I find myself having much the same reaction with NIN as I have with anime -its not the artistic output that I have a problem with (and indeed, I have enjoyed much of it), but it is the fans and everything else surrounding it that I find very very annoying. And, indeed, cos-play seems to be a big part of both (no black eyeliner for me, please, I’m almost forty!).

What is the point of this post? I think I may have lost a bit of the thread myself, since it was, at least in part, about fans and fan-interaction. If I were to ask myself, what is the motivation for sitting down at this computer and typing out these words -is it because I’m talking to a number of anonymous faces out in the web, or because there is a good chance that what I’ve written will meet the eyes of Mr Edge? I grimly suspect that a fan-is-a-fan-is-a-fan, no matter if that person is a fan of Negativland or the Jonas Brothers.

Actually, that may not be an entirely fair statement, especially since OTE has always made it its mandate to incorporate fan interaction as part of the performance -certainly a different kind of engagement to having a fan come up on stage and dance with the lead singer during an instrumental break.
Greg Falkingham says:
June 11th, 2009 at 9:00 am
(Please forgive the huge number of typos in the above post -I just wrote it really fast and didn’t really proof it properly before posting)
B.Priest says:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
create music/art simply for the sake of doing it, all else is secondary
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 12th, 2009 at 10:55 am
re 103: interesting post mate. Personally I find nothing wrong with producing art for arts sake. I’ve been doing that to almost no-ones notice for a heck of a long time.
Christian says:
June 12th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Art for art’s sake?

http://chondriticsound.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=26903

(Apologies in advance for ruining your day.)
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 12th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
An interesting debate going down over there Christian. I always did like some Noise sometimes. Merzbow is a particular favourite and Death Structures I like to listen to while reading the manual.

The thing about Negativland to me is that I used to like around 25% of their stuff, then I kept listening and now it’s more like 90%. It kinda grew on me. Same with Merzbow and a lot of other artists actually.
ReverendEric.com says:
June 13th, 2009 at 12:11 am
I finally finished converting and posting my MP3s of Negativland performing live at the Carrboro Performing Arts Center in Chapel Hill, NC from 2001 (The “True / False” Tour). Due to the powerful self-prescribed medications I was on at the time, I only caught the first half of the show (plus the encore), but it’s plenty, and it’s beautiful.

You can find it at: http://drop.io/truefalsenc

I hope to post the video the mp3’s are taken from soon. Until then, Praise “Bob” and Praise Negativland!
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 14th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Now that the precedent has been set for this to become a bit of a Negativland bootleg dumping ground, I will soon post a link for the DVD files for the More Than Live Bootleg. This is a good quality boot done with 2 cams. Watch this space.
vincent cannata says:
June 14th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Dear Mr. IZZNT,
GREAT OTE! Especially, everything after “Rock ‘n’ Roll Could Never Hip-Hop Like This”! MAde me wish that Mr. Prince Paul (or maybe Jack Dangers) could make a sort-of Negativland ‘DANCE COLLAGE PARTY”!! Now, THAT”S why “Thingmo..” didn’t necessarily DO IT for me….. not enough ‘RUMP-RATTLING BEATS!!’
Too bad those ‘cell-phone’ callers ruined the flow……
I’m at the 2:47 point at the moment…
Still, it was a really good show!!
Chops says:
June 14th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
The Chopping Channel Live 2001 rough edit video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUdz2Bfur68
Rich in Washington says:
June 15th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
I am surprised that no one’s ever attempted to do a Negativland, dance-able remix album.
Good idea Mr. Cannata!
Yeah, would be cool to see something by Dangers, DJ Spooky or The Orb crew.
That’s my fantasy remix project!
Especially if it was a benefit for something like the EFF or something.
Negativland says:
June 15th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
For your ultimate dancey pleasure and exorcising music, we rhythmically recommend the all-Neg covers CD by the 180 Gs. We simply don’t know what else anyone would need to get down on any floor anywhere.
Chops says:
June 15th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
RE:113

Listen to Sex Dirt…….. it’s full of bootyfunk.
vincent cannata says:
June 16th, 2009 at 9:59 am
re: DANCING!
I know social situations are NOT what they used to be, BUT, I’ve been known to stop what I’m doing around my house to simply dance with myself! Heck, even bouncing your ass-cheeks on a chair while reading some ‘crap’ on the computer is considered DANCING, to me!
PS. I’m sure you already know I OWN everything y’all put out. Sadly, Petra Hayden beats the 1-80 G’s to the a cappella punch. Right to the car commercials, she went!
re: 115
“Sex Dirt”‘s beats tend to speed up & slow down….. sad, but true.
“I Am God” was the ‘dance-floor maker’!

Still, the ‘neg-cannon’, in the hands of an ‘out-side source’ might just be what the doktor ordered.
‘Coz, honestly, Mr. Izzn’t's argument on the death of music, taken to it’s logical extreme, could force a wrong hand to end this lovely thing we call Negativland!!!!!
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 17th, 2009 at 3:36 am
re 113: Perhaps we should make that remix album between us. I am up for doing a danceable Negativland remix or 2, and surely some more of us on here would have the necessary skills and software. The World Decides to make a Negativland remix album.
vincent cannata says:
June 17th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
So…… I’m listening to “Tubular Bells II” for the first time today, and I can’t help but fell like it’s some sort of ‘sound-a-like’ version; when people wanna make a song for a commercial and they don’t wanna pay for the song, and they just alter the song by a couple of notes, you know….. The Simpsons do this when they wanna do a parody of “Evita” or “My Fair Lady”….. very strange that Mike Oldfield would do that to HIS OWN PIECE !!
Rich in Washington says:
June 17th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
I finally managed to get the audio archive up for the show that Active Ingredients, The Weatherman, Tommy Hollywood and I did last Friday night/Saturday morning (6/13/09).
It can be listened to here:
http://uglyradio.wordpress.com/2009/06/18/61209-weatherman-show/
It was a hoot!
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 19th, 2009 at 6:30 am
re 118: I can’t get a certain image of Mike Oldfield’s ‘piece’ out of my mind now….

I have created one Negland remix that’s kinda dancy. I will post it up somewhere later.
vincent cannata says:
June 19th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Heck, Mr. Guitarist…… How ’bout a nice big HISTORY MIX!
…or a “Stars On 45″-style….. call it “Negativland For Dummies”.
C’mon, c’mon, dummies!
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 20th, 2009 at 8:07 am
Not a bad idea Vince. In the meantime here’s one I prepared earlier, right at the top of the music player. Also feel free to listen to my other stuff, which are all kinda works in progress.

http://www.reverbnation.com/parmaviolent
vincent cannata says:
June 20th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Mr. Guitarist,
You might like “The Raiding Of The 20th Century” for a little inspiration:

http://www.ubu.com/sound/dj_food.html

Nice history mix.
paul q says:
June 20th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
The promised change is supposed to broker a “peace.” Considering the couple spent their 10th anniversary on June 12 “150 miles apart,” it sounds like time to cut bait. The Gosselin disintegration may have them among the top 25 searched people on Yahoo! in May, but a grumbling backlash makes us feel they’ve overstayed their welcome.
vincent cannata says:
June 21st, 2009 at 8:20 am
re: 124
“Que?”- Manuel.
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 21st, 2009 at 12:38 pm
re 123, what did you think of my efforts, critique please good or bad.
vincent cannata says:
June 21st, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Oh, I like it…. alright….., and I know it’s not the easy thing to do, BUT, keep the samples moving, pack more in each minute. I’ve got no problem with the base loop/sample, but more OVER it would make it ROCK!
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 21st, 2009 at 5:25 pm
OK cheers mate. Was thinking of beefing it up a little anyway. Look forward to Dispepsi Remix v2 sometime soon.