While the world mourned, I turned on Turner Movie Classics and saw “Juliet Of The Spirits” for the first time! WOOOOWWWW!!!
Fuckin’ GREAT MOVIE!!!
If you haven’t seen it….. do yourself a favor!!!!!
It’s a sad state of affairs when no-one’s got any ideas…it seems thats the way things are now, reliving the past…always looking back, is there any way music can go forward, without constant references to what’s gone before? i think some sort of musical revolution needs to take place…it’s time for year-zero…
I wonder if the expectation of a way forward or a ‘musical revolution’ is, in itself, an old idea. From a historical perspective, it simply isn’t natural for a culture to continually reinvent and evolve itself. I think there’s a sense of exhaustion, a kind of malaise, which is poisonous to the acceptance of anything genuinely new. Or, at the very least, I think we should stop expecting something new to emerge from the same old sources. When a well runs dry, it makes more sense to move onto another field than to keep on digging in the same old hole.
I thought this was WRITE ANYTHING HERE, not GOT ANY IDEAS??? The only way you get ideas is by talking….. you’ll see, the more we ’shoot the shit’ together, something will come up…. you’ll see.
am right with you on that,#21, and i can see the point of the “everythings been done before” argument, but with something like music, everyone needs a template to start from, no-one is ever going to come up with a totally original idea or song in this day and age, so recycling stuff is the only way forward, sampling a totally new sound thats not been used before could be classed as something new.. let’s make the most of the sounds and ideas we have.
i’m getting a little tired of this “there’s nothing new in music anymore” bullshit. usually this argument is made by people in bands (ahem) and rock critics who are bored with what they do, and if it really bothers them that much perhaps they should find new careers. this constant desire for novelty in music is a pathology, and it’s a lie too - every supposedly “new” concept in music has an antecedent and if you know your music history well enough you’ll be able to tell where it comes from. that breif Beatles-led period of innovation in pop that lasted from 1965-67 isn’t going to happen again, but really that’s not terribly important anyway. what’s important is for music to engage your brain or to move you emotionally in some way. these aesthetic missives on the lack of something “new” are just art school eggheads having a philosphical wank. c’mon, there are only twelve notes, fucking get over it already.
“what’s important is for music to engage your brain or to move you emotionally in some way.” -well put.
One thing that is special about familiar music is it’s ability to transport you back in time.
Try NOT listening to ANY music AT ALL for a week and then listen to something you own but never really liked. This has helped me write ‘music’ and appreciate neglected tracks in my CD collection. We don’t always know what we like at any point in time unless we listen at that particular moment in time to the thing that we aren’t sure about. Of course, this doesn’t get to happen if your in control.
This is a remix of a track i did called “Wage Slavery”, anyone got any ideas to add to it? do what you want to it, and post the results on here………….View wageslavery-mp3
I think I may have done that non-music challenge completely by accident. On any given week, I usually have the following podcasts loaded up on my personal player: Over The Edge, Puzzling Evidence show, the Hour of Slack, the Ken P D Snydcast, the GiantBombCast, and IGN Nintendo Voice Chat. That’s roughly ten or so hours of material.
Actually, I have to take that back. Music is obviously a big part of whats going on with Over The Edge, and I have to count the times I’ve turned on WPKN in the home (as bad as the reception invariably is).
Still, that was my immediate thought -there have been at least several weeks where I’ve never bothered to play through an album of music; a prospect that would have been unthinkable a number of years ago. That mental space has obviously been taken up with other things now.
Cheers phantomguitarist, any sort of collaboration, is welcomed, and i hope people post some sounds/ music for me to use too, lets see what happens…people have talked enough about music and so on, lets all shut up and start doing something…..
RE: Phantom, Priest, & Cannata- Feel free to plunder…… http://uglyradio.wordpress.com/
…….just scroll down until you see the pic of the Weatherman (white beard) and download the file.
It’s a little sloppy at times due to a twenty second delay, butt if you like the jammers there is some stuff in there that will make milk come out of your nose.
if you go to link above there are a few songs that anyone is free to mess around with. As for collaboration, I am up for working on tracks from scratch rather than just remixing. I have done this over the web in the past with a fair amount of success. It’s actually quite fun posting MP3’s back and forward adding a little bit at a time to a song.
hey ape, you’re more than welcome to join the party.
Wage Slave ReRemix is available for all, just click on my name above.
For benefit of everyone, all my stuff (new and old) will be added here, and I may even make source materials available there in the future, keep checking back to listen to new tracks.
Priest, hope you dig what I’ve done with the tune.
Hopefully, I’ll go with Grape on the sound issue. I try to pre-process the sounds on OTE for best effect, but the vast majority of my recorded archives are on analog tape, mostly on high end tape cassettes, collected from mass media since the early 80s. Tons of it. That’s mostly the dialog stuff.
Some of the individual elements are just on bad tape or are generationally muffled to begin with, but the show should never ALL seem muffled - I also play CDs straight and you can undoubtedly hear that difference.
Since there’s not much I can do about this, I have come to appreciate these differences - making mixes with a wide variety of fidelity in them, just as if they were being made with…a wide variety of old and new sound sources, from antique to digital. And now I actually prefer the overall sound of varieties of fidelity colliding in modern mixing… since I can’t do anything about it.
Even though it’s a different media, I think the ongoing debate about Jamba Juice ‘ripping off’ Get Your War On’s ripped-off aesthetic says a lot about the perhaps unspoken ethics of sampling.
For those who need the background: http://www.mnftiu.cc/2009/07/16/no-justice-part-ii-boycott-jamba-juice/
I guess I should clarify myself or rephrase it as a question: What are the ethics of sampling? To me, it’s not re-using that which has been detourned for a similar purpose.
I do a radio show. Sometimes I simply play mixes of music and sometimes I do media collages not too unlike OTE (hopefully not derivatively so).
When doing a collage mix around a theme (usually current event driven), I strive to find my own content. I will play partial sound-bites of videos, pop songs, commercials, etc, at my discretion or to re-contextualize the clip. If I feel like a song (read, complete) adds to the mix, say by Negativland or perhaps Evolution Control Committee, I will play the entire track to make it clear that it’s a discreet, complete work by someone else. Using a discretionary piece of either of the aforementioned bands seems lazy and/or could be misconstrued as something I’ve ‘created’.
I’m using the above bands as an example, but that’s just my personal take on it.
What’s the connection with the GYWO/Jamba debate?
I think it’s possible that these ad ‘creatives’ think it’s clever to nod towards this popular web comic and maybe think it’s fair game since the creator of GYWO copped his imagery from bad 80’s clip art. So, while it’s not very original, I’m willing to bet that A): the ad men think they are witty and post-modern. B): The Jamba company will hide behind the skirt of artistic appropriation.
It also reminds me of the larger, hipster T-shirt mills ’stealing’ smaller T-shirt creators designs, lock, stock and barrel.
re:72: remind me of the guy who made a short animated film, called “Rejected”, and then an advertising firm ‘ripped-off’ his ’style’ in a batch of Pop-Tarts commercials, a few years back.
Re: 72
I’m going to have to disagree with Rich on the “principle” of not using other artist’s completed collages to make new collages. I do it all the time on OTE, and while I agree that such re-usages(”re-collages?”) beg traditional creative ethics questions, and I while I acknowledge the creative “identity” problems it may entail, such questions typify the many changes in traditional creative practices (and “ethics”) that appropriated content and sampling suddenly forced on all art in the 20th Century and beyond.
Of course, if it makes you uncomfortable, don’t do it, but it doesn’t bother me when compared to the creative and expressive potentials in seeing the WHOLE world, including the art world, as a place where literally nothing is sacred or “hands off” when it comes to becoming content in new art.
On the air, my use of old art within new art is particularly problematic because I back announce nothing I play so artistic credit IS lost on OTE. But in our object releases we always print a complete list of all our sources used in the work, and we do recommend doing this in any work using appropriated elements when accompanying print is available.
But on radio, I ain’t stopping to back announce nothing so authorship is completely lost on OTE and I just say so be it. I can’t even keep track of what I’m using anyway while spontaneously mixing it all.
My primary focus is on our ability to take the whole world of found media, art and otherwise, and be free to rearrange ANY of it to suit ourselves and speak our minds, saturated as we are with a constant barrage of externally manipulated impressions, all coming to us in the form of “completed” works.
Modern collage and appropriation is all about nothing ever being “complete” again. In creativity now, the concept and the fact of “completion” has become a temporary condition for everyone, including us.
I’m not saying I’m against it, per se, but am wondering where to draw the line. I sometimes struggle with when it’s OK to use say a Cyndi Lauper song because her words say what I need them to say within my collage and when using someone else’s cutup of Cyndi saying what they wanted her to say - especially if we’re both saying the same thing, is artistically honest on my part.
I also personally don’t like the lazy form of appropriation where someone might sample someone’s sampled song to make the same point about the same subject, without recontextualizing the recontextualized piece.
But I do agree with Izzy - if I’m understanding you correctly - in that radio collage is different than a complete, presented album of work. I back-announce simply to keep the curious callers at bay. We have all conditioned them to expect it and no one within our station has broken them of that habit.
So, would this… would this be an example of Reverse Culture Jamming?
Is this what happens when the kids of the 80s and 90s who grew up with these ideas go on to get advertising jobs with ‘the conspiracy’? Is this further proof that ‘the culture cannot be jammed’?
I have to say I am eternally grateful for Neg’land for deciding not to work for Weiden and Kennedy, who are one of the biggest purveyors of pseudo-hipstery advertising.
When I was going to art school, they were held by most of the school and many fellow students with awe.
I thanked a band-member after a show in Portland, home of W&K.
I’m fine with traditional advertising; I just find both exploiting people’s psychic neediness or scarcity issues and ripping off the ’subculture’ (whatever that is anymore) reprehensible.
re 76: Couldn’t agree more. Anything is and indeed should be fair game to be used in any piece. Obviously using whole complete works is a bit much, but anything less that that is fine with me.
As for using plunder/mashup/collage bands works within your own plunder/mashup/collage, well it may seem lazy and not all that artistic to do it but I think it’s fine to use that as well. Preferably it would be used to say something new or different from the existing piece, but if not, well art is art is art. Would seem a bit silly for an artist that uses others work to make their own getting upset or worried about another artist using THEIR work to create something new.
I guess it’s all dependant on the listener whether or not they like any particular piece, as that tends to be my definition of what makes anything worthwhile. However, I intend to keep making music and if I like it then I don’t really care who else likes it or not. Preferably someone else will like it, but if not, so what????
A bit of a ramble there, but hope it made some sort of sense.
Make anything YOU want out of anything YOU want and if your lucky YOU might like it. Nobody is getting laid from this shit anymore so let your geek flag fly.
Hi I was wondering, is “Gimme the Mermaid” still being played on tour with the other “Cultural Jamming” content? Also will you guys be coming to Virginia or more specifically RICHMOND anytime soon?
re 90: Negativland now do It’s All In Your Head, the only live show that is a radio show brave enough to profess that THERE IS NO GOD.
Not being a member of the band, wouldn’t have a clue when they are headed out your way, Susan. Just thought I’d give you an answer, as sometimes the Negativcreeps (hehehe) can take a while to get round to replying.
re: 100
No, Negativland did no radio in the 70s. OTE is our only radio work and that began at WBAI’s sister station, KPFA, in 1981. Got any recordings of “Turkey Time”?
No, I wish I did, I have been looking for tapes of that show for years. I can’t even find a single person who even remembers its! Shit, I’m surprized I remember it with all the chemicals we would do before the show would start every Friday night.
It’s like that wallpaper in grandma’s kitchen mixed with complete bordom and the smell of an old textbook that I’m reminded of when I’m served weak and stale coffee.
I imagine thats what they would drink on old cop shows out of a styrofoam cup.
I missed the show last week…..Is music is still or isn’t - Izzy I mean music?
I am writing for asking your kindly permission to allow the we to use these pictures that we download from the negativland website. We download 8 pieces.
The images will be published on ARTCO magazine which is based in Taipei, Taiwan (Chinese language). The September feature issue will launch a series of special reports about “Culture Jamming,” and the negativland images are included in this feature report.
And last, would you mind to offer the image of the work “Truth in Advertising”(above 300 dpi)? I appreciate your lovely help.
If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me.
Here is our magazine’s website for reference: http://www.artouch.com
RE: 111, 112:
Yeah, I am going crazy trying to find that movie (The Room)!
There was a one-night showing in Portland that I had to miss. It was shown Rocky Horror-style, with people yelling lines and throwing appropriate objects at the screen.
I may have to break down and buy that movie.
Downloads in under an hour with a quick enough broadband connection (or so I am told, I of course would never recommend illegaly downloading movies or music and neither would Negativland!!!)
tried buying merchandise getting this message needs to be fixed on your end
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re 118: I hear Wiseau shot it simultaneously on 35mm and DV, with both cameras running at the same time. He ultimately decided to use the digital video, meaning right there, he essentially wasted loads of expensive film stock he didn’t need to shoot. I’m sure a big chunk of it went to his supposedly six ‘assistants’. We know it sure as hell didn’t get spent on acting classes or film school, although he claims to have gone through both.
Well, it’s all a bit of a put on. Wiseau ‘directed’ and appeared in an episode of Tim & Eric: Awesome Show, Great Job. The Room also played on [Adult Swim] for April Fools.
our host deleted a bunch of our files without warning (using scanning software, which they’ve now supposedly disabled) because of what they claimed were copyright violations. i’m working to figure out which shows got deleted so that i can re-upload them as soon as possible. of course, if you buy a show that’s missing, i’ll get it to you right away, but as for the free ones, just keep checking back.
sorry about any inconvenience!
Ptaszj !
Are there any other deleted shows ?
If so, maybe some listeners got them in stock and can provide them back (before they get deleted again !). Hihihi
re 123: copyright infringement is a criminal act. Fuck man, it’s getting bad out there. ECC’s Public Enemy/Herb Albert song is getting the threat of being removed from youtube and now OTE episodes being removed due to ‘copyright’. Can we even pretend to believe that we live in anything resembling a free world.
Keep on rocking Negativland…. I will keep on listening.
re 124: Pretty sure there are backups of all shows now online, but I have almost everything that is up on the site on CDR which I will be more than happpy to provide for anyone who wants them. Just name the episode name, date etc and if I’ve got it you can have it….
I thought we had reached a point where copyright didn’t matter any more. How wrong I was.
Even more frightening for creativity is the fact that our web host was using an automated scanner to find copyrighted material in ANY context. Fair Use, however, is BASED on context particulars, (is it criticism, commentary, creative appropriation that transforms the material etc.) so their policing process was an effectively universal denial that Fair Use might exist at all.
Speaking of Weiden and Kennedy (we evoked their name around thread 80 or so) here’s a story about them supposedly hijacking a smaller firm’s ad campaign: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob9kbGjEHW8
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:45 am
Im so glad your not supposed to pour the liquid through the key hole to make doors crumble like a cake; more than as if I had my own recipe!
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:14 am
I just figured out how to use this “write anything here” thing.
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:47 pm
What, no new Mertz advert? I feel kinda let down by that.
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Congratulation on finally launching the Mertz search engine, hunch.com!
June 23rd, 2009 at 3:22 am
That’s better, now all is as should be.
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:51 pm
God told me to do it
June 24th, 2009 at 8:30 am
http://www.reverbnation.com/parmaviolent
Dispepsi Syrup v2.3
A thick sludgy dense remix. Check it out. At top of player.
June 25th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Michael Jackson is dead. You had the song(tract) Michael Jackson on Escape from Noise. We want to know… Any plans?
June 25th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
http://nonpopradio.com/ia/John_Oswald-02-Dab-Michael_Jackson.mp3
June 25th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
No,Michael Jackson made me do it!
June 25th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
oh great, i suppose we can “look-forward” to a load of jacko re-issues then.
June 26th, 2009 at 3:34 am
See #7 for link to MJ related remix. Great timing, almost spooky.
June 26th, 2009 at 10:53 am
While the world mourned, I turned on Turner Movie Classics and saw “Juliet Of The Spirits” for the first time! WOOOOWWWW!!!
Fuckin’ GREAT MOVIE!!!
If you haven’t seen it….. do yourself a favor!!!!!
BOB, it was SO GOOD!!!
June 26th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Only 30 minutes into this one….. and, I’m LOVIN’ IT!
who’s a Beatle-freak???
I’m a Beatle-freak…..
June 26th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
DUNG-Beatles
June 28th, 2009 at 4:17 am
You can write anything you want but this isn’t very darn interesting lately. Whatever happened to ideas?
June 28th, 2009 at 6:40 am
re 16 see 7 more to follow.
June 28th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
It’s a sad state of affairs when no-one’s got any ideas…it seems thats the way things are now, reliving the past…always looking back, is there any way music can go forward, without constant references to what’s gone before? i think some sort of musical revolution needs to take place…it’s time for year-zero…
June 28th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Year Zero? I think that’s been done before too…
I wonder if the expectation of a way forward or a ‘musical revolution’ is, in itself, an old idea. From a historical perspective, it simply isn’t natural for a culture to continually reinvent and evolve itself. I think there’s a sense of exhaustion, a kind of malaise, which is poisonous to the acceptance of anything genuinely new. Or, at the very least, I think we should stop expecting something new to emerge from the same old sources. When a well runs dry, it makes more sense to move onto another field than to keep on digging in the same old hole.
June 28th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
yeah, sounds about right
June 29th, 2009 at 5:35 am
I thought this was WRITE ANYTHING HERE, not GOT ANY IDEAS??? The only way you get ideas is by talking….. you’ll see, the more we ’shoot the shit’ together, something will come up…. you’ll see.
June 29th, 2009 at 9:48 am
am right with you on that,#21, and i can see the point of the “everythings been done before” argument, but with something like music, everyone needs a template to start from, no-one is ever going to come up with a totally original idea or song in this day and age, so recycling stuff is the only way forward, sampling a totally new sound thats not been used before could be classed as something new.. let’s make the most of the sounds and ideas we have.
June 29th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
i’m getting a little tired of this “there’s nothing new in music anymore” bullshit. usually this argument is made by people in bands (ahem) and rock critics who are bored with what they do, and if it really bothers them that much perhaps they should find new careers. this constant desire for novelty in music is a pathology, and it’s a lie too - every supposedly “new” concept in music has an antecedent and if you know your music history well enough you’ll be able to tell where it comes from. that breif Beatles-led period of innovation in pop that lasted from 1965-67 isn’t going to happen again, but really that’s not terribly important anyway. what’s important is for music to engage your brain or to move you emotionally in some way. these aesthetic missives on the lack of something “new” are just art school eggheads having a philosphical wank. c’mon, there are only twelve notes, fucking get over it already.
June 29th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
“what’s important is for music to engage your brain or to move you emotionally in some way.” -well put.
One thing that is special about familiar music is it’s ability to transport you back in time.
Try NOT listening to ANY music AT ALL for a week and then listen to something you own but never really liked. This has helped me write ‘music’ and appreciate neglected tracks in my CD collection. We don’t always know what we like at any point in time unless we listen at that particular moment in time to the thing that we aren’t sure about. Of course, this doesn’t get to happen if your in control.
June 29th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
This is a remix of a track i did called “Wage Slavery”, anyone got any ideas to add to it? do what you want to it, and post the results on here………….View wageslavery-mp3
June 29th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
re 24 am considering trying your week without music experiment. Think it would be difficult going cold turkey like that. Maybe I could try a few days.
Re 25: OK, I will.
June 29th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
I think I may have done that non-music challenge completely by accident. On any given week, I usually have the following podcasts loaded up on my personal player: Over The Edge, Puzzling Evidence show, the Hour of Slack, the Ken P D Snydcast, the GiantBombCast, and IGN Nintendo Voice Chat. That’s roughly ten or so hours of material.
Actually, I have to take that back. Music is obviously a big part of whats going on with Over The Edge, and I have to count the times I’ve turned on WPKN in the home (as bad as the reception invariably is).
Still, that was my immediate thought -there have been at least several weeks where I’ve never bothered to play through an album of music; a prospect that would have been unthinkable a number of years ago. That mental space has obviously been taken up with other things now.
June 30th, 2009 at 1:31 am
Here’s a little “MUSIC IS…” stuff for Mr. Izzint:
http://www.amazon.com/Musicophilia-Tales-Music-Revised-Expanded/dp/1400033535/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246343273&sr=1-1
and his NOVA special “Musical Minds”:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/
June 30th, 2009 at 9:26 am
The NOVA airs TONIGHT!!!!!!!
June 30th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Cheers phantomguitarist, any sort of collaboration, is welcomed, and i hope people post some sounds/ music for me to use too, lets see what happens…people have talked enough about music and so on, lets all shut up and start doing something…..
July 1st, 2009 at 2:00 am
RE: Phantom, Priest, & Cannata- Feel free to plunder…… http://uglyradio.wordpress.com/
…….just scroll down until you see the pic of the Weatherman (white beard) and download the file.
It’s a little sloppy at times due to a twenty second delay, butt if you like the jammers there is some stuff in there that will make milk come out of your nose.
July 1st, 2009 at 5:06 am
Hey Priest. Will play around with your track in the next few days. 2 kids kinda keep me busy, but I will get around to it.
http://www.reverbnation.com/parmaviolent
if you go to link above there are a few songs that anyone is free to mess around with. As for collaboration, I am up for working on tracks from scratch rather than just remixing. I have done this over the web in the past with a fair amount of success. It’s actually quite fun posting MP3’s back and forward adding a little bit at a time to a song.
If anyone is up for doing this let me know.
July 1st, 2009 at 2:53 pm
ok, i’m up for collaborating, i’ll put something up soon, i’ve been collecting samples from about 1980, i have quite a bit of sound to use
July 2nd, 2009 at 1:33 pm
get a room already. or exchange email addresses.
July 2nd, 2009 at 4:58 pm
……Juuust kidding
July 3rd, 2009 at 9:32 am
hey ape, you’re more than welcome to join the party.
Wage Slave ReRemix is available for all, just click on my name above.
For benefit of everyone, all my stuff (new and old) will be added here, and I may even make source materials available there in the future, keep checking back to listen to new tracks.
Priest, hope you dig what I’ve done with the tune.
July 3rd, 2009 at 11:32 am
Thnx, yeah, i like it, what’s your problem “ape”?
July 3rd, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Sorry about that, I just got a new batch of steroids and they’re making me a little edgy, nothing personal.
July 3rd, 2009 at 4:31 pm
hahaha, over the edgy. Try mertz, mate.
July 4th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Was there not an OTE last night?
July 4th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
No OTE on first Thursday of the month Vince. 5 hour show on 5th thursday should there be one.
July 4th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Oh….. 5TH thursday… not 1st…..
forgot
Oh, and dig:
Allen Klein died:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE56326B20090704
July 4th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
http://t-shirts.cafepress.com/item/christianity-is-stupid/59977580
hmmm, what an original design.
July 4th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/blog/atheists-riddle/
This guy scares me almost as much as David Icke.
July 5th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Re 25: I hope you don’t mind an analog-tape-destruction-noise mix.
http://drop.io/LaurelCommunications/asset/wage-slavery-brutey-loops-mix-mp3
Re 44: I’ve been following this guy for years. The last time I checked he was writing in English, but I’m not sure what’s going on now.
http://saynotodeath.com/
July 5th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
thnx christian, any sort of destruction/remix/interaction is welcomed, and encouraged!
July 5th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Heres some david icke, enjoy! http://drop.io/LaurelCommunications/asset/icke-mix-mp3
July 6th, 2009 at 4:43 am
re 45: The world has some strange, strange people residing in it.
July 6th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Present company excepted, of course, right?
July 6th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Yeah, Christian. We are all perfectly normal folk, addicted to posting random comments on a very obscure bands website.
July 7th, 2009 at 8:22 am
re: 50 :
funny.
July 7th, 2009 at 11:10 am
what’s ‘normal’ anyway?
July 8th, 2009 at 3:11 am
C’mon server issues. I hope your best man or woman is on the case, I need my fix!
July 8th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
re 52: it’s a town in Illinois…
http://www.normal.org/
July 8th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Hahaha! nice one! iv’e taken the liberty of downloading some of your stuff, i’ll post it on here as soon as i get it done ok?,
July 8th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
“She Who Measures”
Freaky anti-consumerist cartoon from Croatia!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe6gWsklnh0&feature=related
July 8th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Nice one Priest. Will be interesting to hear what you do with it. Looking forward to it.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:07 am
This just in…
Oscar Mayer is dead:
http://soundcloud.com/dj-manrich/oscar-mayer-is-dead
July 10th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Here’s a question: Why does OTE always sound…. you know… muffle-y…… fuzzy?
July 10th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Vince, get your ears syringed mate. Sounds fine to me usually.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Because it’s all on tape.
July 11th, 2009 at 12:06 am
I’ll buy that.
July 11th, 2009 at 1:41 am
2nd generation cassette recordings of Art Bell on AM = painting on a rough canvas.
CD’s and wave files are more like painting on glass.
Painted broken glass glued to a canvased rotating waterbed-ote
July 11th, 2009 at 4:36 am
re 63: that should be the new OTE slogan.
July 11th, 2009 at 7:28 am
Hopefully, I’ll go with Grape on the sound issue. I try to pre-process the sounds on OTE for best effect, but the vast majority of my recorded archives are on analog tape, mostly on high end tape cassettes, collected from mass media since the early 80s. Tons of it. That’s mostly the dialog stuff.
Some of the individual elements are just on bad tape or are generationally muffled to begin with, but the show should never ALL seem muffled - I also play CDs straight and you can undoubtedly hear that difference.
Since there’s not much I can do about this, I have come to appreciate these differences - making mixes with a wide variety of fidelity in them, just as if they were being made with…a wide variety of old and new sound sources, from antique to digital. And now I actually prefer the overall sound of varieties of fidelity colliding in modern mixing… since I can’t do anything about it.
July 11th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
PhantomGuitarist, here is what i’ve done with your stuff http://drop.io/LaurelCommunications/asset/death-of-a-product-mp3
July 11th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
RE: 65
This is why I like listening, aside from content.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:17 am
re 66, cheers priest, enjoyed it.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:44 am
ta enjoyed doing it
July 16th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
i just watched the movie “Pontypool”
Don should use it, i cant wait.
the audio is great
July 21st, 2009 at 11:36 am
Even though it’s a different media, I think the ongoing debate about Jamba Juice ‘ripping off’ Get Your War On’s ripped-off aesthetic says a lot about the perhaps unspoken ethics of sampling.
For those who need the background: http://www.mnftiu.cc/2009/07/16/no-justice-part-ii-boycott-jamba-juice/
July 21st, 2009 at 11:54 am
I guess I should clarify myself or rephrase it as a question: What are the ethics of sampling? To me, it’s not re-using that which has been detourned for a similar purpose.
I do a radio show. Sometimes I simply play mixes of music and sometimes I do media collages not too unlike OTE (hopefully not derivatively so).
When doing a collage mix around a theme (usually current event driven), I strive to find my own content. I will play partial sound-bites of videos, pop songs, commercials, etc, at my discretion or to re-contextualize the clip. If I feel like a song (read, complete) adds to the mix, say by Negativland or perhaps Evolution Control Committee, I will play the entire track to make it clear that it’s a discreet, complete work by someone else. Using a discretionary piece of either of the aforementioned bands seems lazy and/or could be misconstrued as something I’ve ‘created’.
I’m using the above bands as an example, but that’s just my personal take on it.
What’s the connection with the GYWO/Jamba debate?
I think it’s possible that these ad ‘creatives’ think it’s clever to nod towards this popular web comic and maybe think it’s fair game since the creator of GYWO copped his imagery from bad 80’s clip art. So, while it’s not very original, I’m willing to bet that A): the ad men think they are witty and post-modern. B): The Jamba company will hide behind the skirt of artistic appropriation.
It also reminds me of the larger, hipster T-shirt mills ’stealing’ smaller T-shirt creators designs, lock, stock and barrel.
July 21st, 2009 at 3:40 pm
re:72: remind me of the guy who made a short animated film, called “Rejected”, and then an advertising firm ‘ripped-off’ his ’style’ in a batch of Pop-Tarts commercials, a few years back.
July 21st, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Re: 72
I’m going to have to disagree with Rich on the “principle” of not using other artist’s completed collages to make new collages. I do it all the time on OTE, and while I agree that such re-usages(”re-collages?”) beg traditional creative ethics questions, and I while I acknowledge the creative “identity” problems it may entail, such questions typify the many changes in traditional creative practices (and “ethics”) that appropriated content and sampling suddenly forced on all art in the 20th Century and beyond.
Of course, if it makes you uncomfortable, don’t do it, but it doesn’t bother me when compared to the creative and expressive potentials in seeing the WHOLE world, including the art world, as a place where literally nothing is sacred or “hands off” when it comes to becoming content in new art.
On the air, my use of old art within new art is particularly problematic because I back announce nothing I play so artistic credit IS lost on OTE. But in our object releases we always print a complete list of all our sources used in the work, and we do recommend doing this in any work using appropriated elements when accompanying print is available.
But on radio, I ain’t stopping to back announce nothing so authorship is completely lost on OTE and I just say so be it. I can’t even keep track of what I’m using anyway while spontaneously mixing it all.
My primary focus is on our ability to take the whole world of found media, art and otherwise, and be free to rearrange ANY of it to suit ourselves and speak our minds, saturated as we are with a constant barrage of externally manipulated impressions, all coming to us in the form of “completed” works.
Modern collage and appropriation is all about nothing ever being “complete” again. In creativity now, the concept and the fact of “completion” has become a temporary condition for everyone, including us.
July 21st, 2009 at 5:22 pm
I’m not saying I’m against it, per se, but am wondering where to draw the line. I sometimes struggle with when it’s OK to use say a Cyndi Lauper song because her words say what I need them to say within my collage and when using someone else’s cutup of Cyndi saying what they wanted her to say - especially if we’re both saying the same thing, is artistically honest on my part.
I also personally don’t like the lazy form of appropriation where someone might sample someone’s sampled song to make the same point about the same subject, without recontextualizing the recontextualized piece.
But I do agree with Izzy - if I’m understanding you correctly - in that radio collage is different than a complete, presented album of work. I back-announce simply to keep the curious callers at bay. We have all conditioned them to expect it and no one within our station has broken them of that habit.
It’s all just my own weird quandary, really.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:01 pm
I draw the line at playing whole, unaltered works by others within new works. As long as it’s fragmented or rearranged, it’s fair game for collage.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:45 pm
re: 71
So, would this… would this be an example of Reverse Culture Jamming?
Is this what happens when the kids of the 80s and 90s who grew up with these ideas go on to get advertising jobs with ‘the conspiracy’? Is this further proof that ‘the culture cannot be jammed’?
July 23rd, 2009 at 12:49 am
re:77
I have to say it appears that way, depressingly.
I have to say I am eternally grateful for Neg’land for deciding not to work for Weiden and Kennedy, who are one of the biggest purveyors of pseudo-hipstery advertising.
When I was going to art school, they were held by most of the school and many fellow students with awe.
I thanked a band-member after a show in Portland, home of W&K.
I’m fine with traditional advertising; I just find both exploiting people’s psychic neediness or scarcity issues and ripping off the ’subculture’ (whatever that is anymore) reprehensible.
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:24 am
re 76: Couldn’t agree more. Anything is and indeed should be fair game to be used in any piece. Obviously using whole complete works is a bit much, but anything less that that is fine with me.
As for using plunder/mashup/collage bands works within your own plunder/mashup/collage, well it may seem lazy and not all that artistic to do it but I think it’s fine to use that as well. Preferably it would be used to say something new or different from the existing piece, but if not, well art is art is art. Would seem a bit silly for an artist that uses others work to make their own getting upset or worried about another artist using THEIR work to create something new.
I guess it’s all dependant on the listener whether or not they like any particular piece, as that tends to be my definition of what makes anything worthwhile. However, I intend to keep making music and if I like it then I don’t really care who else likes it or not. Preferably someone else will like it, but if not, so what????
A bit of a ramble there, but hope it made some sort of sense.
July 23rd, 2009 at 12:45 pm
How ’bout a nice art-pice that TRASHES Weiden & Kennedy?!?!?!?!
July 23rd, 2009 at 12:46 pm
piece……
July 24th, 2009 at 5:11 am
Make anything YOU want out of anything YOU want and if your lucky YOU might like it. Nobody is getting laid from this shit anymore so let your geek flag fly.
July 24th, 2009 at 6:52 am
art-pice, you put it much better than I did.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:14 am
I just got laid last night…. thanks to my wife! Was anybody really ‘gettin’ any’ making THIS kind of ‘art’ anyway???
July 24th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
That 43 min mark “DON’T SAY HELLO”on last night’s OTE was SO FUNNY TO ME, for some reason!
July 24th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?tid=6917&ttype=2
July 24th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
you guys are funny
July 27th, 2009 at 4:44 am
Just spotted this on the Wobbly site:
Forthcoming
2008 The Freddy McGuire show, Over The Edge Volume Nine, CD, Seeland
Reason enough to be excited. What about IAIYH v2.0? Simultaneous release? Come on, let the cat outta the bag….
July 28th, 2009 at 7:41 am
Bring back H.R.W.D.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Hi I was wondering, is “Gimme the Mermaid” still being played on tour with the other “Cultural Jamming” content? Also will you guys be coming to Virginia or more specifically RICHMOND anytime soon?
July 31st, 2009 at 2:17 pm
re 90: Negativland now do It’s All In Your Head, the only live show that is a radio show brave enough to profess that THERE IS NO GOD.
Not being a member of the band, wouldn’t have a clue when they are headed out your way, Susan. Just thought I’d give you an answer, as sometimes the Negativcreeps (hehehe) can take a while to get round to replying.
August 1st, 2009 at 10:42 am
Last thrusday’s OTE……? Donde esta???
August 2nd, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Negativland has no traveling plans. If we do, we’re doing IAIYH OR The Booper Symphony live these days.
See you there!
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Re: 92 I FOUND IT!!! It’s under Crack Of Dawn for some reason. Listening to it NOW on KPFA’s site…..
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:35 pm
That Cocteau Twins song Mr. Izzn’t played near the end of the show always reminds me of the Armour Hot Dog song!
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Who did that song, “I’m Your Telephone Man”? I know I’ve it before, but a freakin’ long time ago!
August 4th, 2009 at 8:21 am
Talking to yourself is the first sign of onset senile dementia, Vincent….
August 5th, 2009 at 10:22 am
I haven’t listen to HIM in years….. used to tape the FUNNY FIVE every week!
Thanks to the internet, I found “Existential Blues” & “Bra Size 45″….
August 7th, 2009 at 5:27 am
“I don’t really care about boys playing drums;
I’m thinking about girls playing drums.”
August 7th, 2009 at 6:19 am
Back in the ’70s there was a radio show on WBAI in NY called “Turkey Time”, were any of you guy involved with the programing and/or production?
August 7th, 2009 at 6:20 am
Anyone out there remember this show?
August 8th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
re: 100
No, Negativland did no radio in the 70s. OTE is our only radio work and that began at WBAI’s sister station, KPFA, in 1981. Got any recordings of “Turkey Time”?
August 9th, 2009 at 6:30 am
No, I wish I did, I have been looking for tapes of that show for years. I can’t even find a single person who even remembers its! Shit, I’m surprized I remember it with all the chemicals we would do before the show would start every Friday night.
August 10th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
re: Turkey Time
You might want to try internet “news groups” if you have access…
Where’s Richard Seeland? I bet he could find it.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Here’s a funny British cartoon on the state of music today….
“It’s funny ‘coz it’s true.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pehHOqx7JXg&feature=player_embedded
August 16th, 2009 at 1:23 am
Why does the coffee at motel 6 taste like sad crayons?
August 16th, 2009 at 8:47 am
I don’t think I’ve ever tasted ‘happy’ crayons….. how could you tell?
August 17th, 2009 at 1:30 am
It’s like that wallpaper in grandma’s kitchen mixed with complete bordom and the smell of an old textbook that I’m reminded of when I’m served weak and stale coffee.
I imagine thats what they would drink on old cop shows out of a styrofoam cup.
I missed the show last week…..Is music is still or isn’t - Izzy I mean music?
August 17th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Nope.. “Failure” was the title!
August 19th, 2009 at 1:06 am
Dear Mark.
I am writing for asking your kindly permission to allow the we to use these pictures that we download from the negativland website. We download 8 pieces.
The images will be published on ARTCO magazine which is based in Taipei, Taiwan (Chinese language). The September feature issue will launch a series of special reports about “Culture Jamming,” and the negativland images are included in this feature report.
And last, would you mind to offer the image of the work “Truth in Advertising”(above 300 dpi)? I appreciate your lovely help.
If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me.
Here is our magazine’s website for reference: http://www.artouch.com
Many thanks in advance and
Warm Regards,
Chia-Hsuan WU, Artco Monthly editor
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August 20th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Check out Tommy Wiseau, what the fuck is that guy on?….
August 20th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
re 111 for some reason that guy looks really familiar. Have to dl the room now. Is it really so bad?
August 21st, 2009 at 5:52 pm
RE: 111, 112:
Yeah, I am going crazy trying to find that movie (The Room)!
There was a one-night showing in Portland that I had to miss. It was shown Rocky Horror-style, with people yelling lines and throwing appropriate objects at the screen.
I may have to break down and buy that movie.
August 22nd, 2009 at 5:31 am
re 113
http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/110746017/Tommy+Wiseau?tab=summary
Downloads in under an hour with a quick enough broadband connection (or so I am told, I of course would never recommend illegaly downloading movies or music and neither would Negativland!!!)
August 22nd, 2009 at 2:43 pm
yeah phantomguitarist, its worse than bad,…ive seen some bad films in my time, but the room takes the fuckin’ biscuit!
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:32 am
tried buying merchandise getting this message needs to be fixed on your end
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August 23rd, 2009 at 9:14 am
re 115, one to look forward to then….
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:56 am
re 117, definatley worth seeing, cost 6 million dollars to make it aswell?!
August 24th, 2009 at 10:52 am
re 118: I hear Wiseau shot it simultaneously on 35mm and DV, with both cameras running at the same time. He ultimately decided to use the digital video, meaning right there, he essentially wasted loads of expensive film stock he didn’t need to shoot. I’m sure a big chunk of it went to his supposedly six ‘assistants’. We know it sure as hell didn’t get spent on acting classes or film school, although he claims to have gone through both.
August 24th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
re 119, hahaha yeah think your dead right there
August 26th, 2009 at 12:01 am
Well, it’s all a bit of a put on. Wiseau ‘directed’ and appeared in an episode of Tim & Eric: Awesome Show, Great Job. The Room also played on [Adult Swim] for April Fools.
August 27th, 2009 at 7:22 am
Sorry to be a bother, but I recently tried to d/l the free OTE episode “The Trail of Feathers” (1993) and BOTH links to the .mp3’s are broken
can/will those links be restored?…thanks
August 27th, 2009 at 11:37 am
our host deleted a bunch of our files without warning (using scanning software, which they’ve now supposedly disabled) because of what they claimed were copyright violations. i’m working to figure out which shows got deleted so that i can re-upload them as soon as possible. of course, if you buy a show that’s missing, i’ll get it to you right away, but as for the free ones, just keep checking back.
sorry about any inconvenience!
August 27th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Ptaszj !
Are there any other deleted shows ?
If so, maybe some listeners got them in stock and can provide them back (before they get deleted again !). Hihihi
August 28th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Okay! Joke’s over! Who keeps stealing my garbage?
August 29th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
re 123: copyright infringement is a criminal act. Fuck man, it’s getting bad out there. ECC’s Public Enemy/Herb Albert song is getting the threat of being removed from youtube and now OTE episodes being removed due to ‘copyright’. Can we even pretend to believe that we live in anything resembling a free world.
Keep on rocking Negativland…. I will keep on listening.
re 124: Pretty sure there are backups of all shows now online, but I have almost everything that is up on the site on CDR which I will be more than happpy to provide for anyone who wants them. Just name the episode name, date etc and if I’ve got it you can have it….
I thought we had reached a point where copyright didn’t matter any more. How wrong I was.
August 29th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Even more frightening for creativity is the fact that our web host was using an automated scanner to find copyrighted material in ANY context. Fair Use, however, is BASED on context particulars, (is it criticism, commentary, creative appropriation that transforms the material etc.) so their policing process was an effectively universal denial that Fair Use might exist at all.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Re 125: Your garbage is being held in a secure location which you will never find. It will be returned to you for the right price.
Do not call the police. If you do so, it goes straight into the incinerator.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Speaking of Weiden and Kennedy (we evoked their name around thread 80 or so) here’s a story about them supposedly hijacking a smaller firm’s ad campaign: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob9kbGjEHW8