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Negativland says:
September 2nd, 2009 at 3:56 am
Ok, you dummies,
Let’s try to do better this time.
vincent cannata says:
September 2nd, 2009 at 8:34 am
For more on FAILURE, check out “Lost In LaMancha”!

Also, The Flaming Lips wrote a song called “The Sound Of Failure”!
Hoosier says:
September 2nd, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Like the “What so Proudly We Fail” episodes. T.Y.
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 3rd, 2009 at 7:21 am
So for all those even remotely interested, I am doing my first solo show at Glasgows famous (well famous in Glasgow) 13th Note. 20 mins of me, a guitar and an MP3 player. Tomorrow night.

Also, I have finished my Smoking Is Addictive album, which will be available as unique recycled packages at the gig and very soon online (hopefully). Crosley Bendix didn’t like the snippets he heard (see previous WAH threads) but maybe you will…..

It will be priced very reasonably and will be handmade by either myself or Mrs Phantom G.

Well, who said we had to write about Negativland?
Positivhand says:
September 3rd, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Are you “left” handed?
Dokotor Poon says:
September 8th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Failure wants to be your friend.
Dr Orange says:
September 9th, 2009 at 2:49 am
It’s 9/9/9 you all!
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 9th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Well I failed…. to fail. Gig went alright, though will be a few changes next time. Sold a grand total of…………….TWO CD’s!!!!

Will be available from NO good stores very soon.
Greg Falkingham says:
September 9th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
9/9/99 – the launch of the Sega Dreamcast 10 years ago. A noble failure.

Why does it matter? Because, for the first time, there was a mass market device that was relatively inexpensive that provided internet browsing. At a time when I couldn’t afford my own computer, this was the method by which I was able to be a full time member of the internet community. I could even use it to download MP3s, which I would then record into my MiniDisc player through the speaker jack.

The Dreamcast itself was in many ways the first modern gaming console was we see them today. Its ultimate failure, and the end of Sega as a gaming giant in the hardware space, also meant the end of an era. The entrance of Sony and Microsoft into that same space was motivated less by gaming, than by getting a device into people’s livings rooms through which they can funnel and sell all their other content and services.
booyakasha says:
September 10th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Negativland has stripped me of all emotions. I cannot believe in anything or anybody, not even Negativland themselves! I am eliminating my presence from the earth as soon as possible. Thank You.
vincent cannata says:
September 11th, 2009 at 11:26 am
“Lighten up, Francis.”
Negativland says:
September 12th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Re: 10
Negativland does not now, nor ever will be held to any legalistic responsibility in relation to anything real that may be suggested in WAH contributions by the unwashed unknown, victims of failure all, and yet unable to let go, now or in the future, so be it.
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 13th, 2009 at 10:35 am
re 10: watch this and calm down…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfnmCOUieLw&feature=fvst
unclecliffy says:
September 13th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Question:

I have an old record by Negativland titled, “Gather Moss”. It has has a wall paper covered sleeve with a picture of a toilet in the woods which is donned with a green fuzzy toilet seat cover. Inside there is a photocopy of a a recipe for coffee cake that lists coffee as one of the ingredients.

I have always cherished this record and have always thought it was way ahead of its time.

I have only seen this record mentioned once in a record collector’s book. It was described that each cover was different and as being pretty rare and valuable. It is not listed anywhere on the internets that I can find.

Does anybody have any background on this fine piece of art?! It has always been my favorite record find of all time.

Thanks in advance!

Clifford
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 13th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
re 14: The record you speak of is the debut album self titled ‘Negativland’. Yes it is pretty rare, you can still pick up copies on ebay and there is one place in switzerland that does CD versions at a very reasonable price. That’s where I got mine. Good album isn’t it?

I would keep it rather than sell….
B. Cosgrove says:
September 13th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
I got a copy of it off of ebay. Can’t remember the price point, but I really don’t care as it is an awesome album with an amazing cover (not just in effort but in commitment, that’s a LOT of covers to make by hand, but I guess their razor blade skills are pretty well honed).

It’s most definitely my favourite album in my collection for the sheer fact that the cover is handmade. We should get some kind of “post a picture of your LP” database going so everyone can see what everyone elses cover is like.
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 14th, 2009 at 4:03 am
re 16: not a bad idea. Will take a photo of mine later in the week and post it up somewhere.
Seven says:
September 14th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtyZMRJbLq8
Positivhand says:
September 14th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Is this where I can buy an Ebay T-shirt?
Negative Nein says:
September 16th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
I fail to see any improvement in this current thread. I must be a global village idiot.
Greg Falkingham says:
September 17th, 2009 at 10:03 am
There my not be much improvement, but also consider that it hasn’t gone to complete shit by now.

For what is basically an unmoderated message board, this place has been surprisingly free of racist douchbags, conspiracy theorists and spam-bots. If you want to see how quickly this kind of thing can go south, just check out the comments section of any online news site like CBC or YahooNews. Hell, you can even see it on porn sites that offer user comment sections.

The implication is that this is far too small an audience for any real dickwad to be bothered with. Or they just haven’t found us yet. But they will -in time, they will. Failure, after all, is imminent.
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 17th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
What exactly would constitute improvement? Do we expect a modern day Shakespeare to publish the next Romeo and Juliet in weekly installments on the Negativland board? It was always quite likely to be mostly posts about Negativlands current or old works. And the odd bit of randomness thrown in for good measure.

re 21: exactamundo. We will mourn the decline when the spambots find us…
Finnius says:
September 17th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Randi and Jo-Bella (in weekly installments)

…riverrun, past Eve and Adam’s, from swerve of shore to bend of bay, brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs.
Sir Tristram, violer d’amores, fr’over the short sea, had passen-core rearrived from North Armorica on this side the scraggy isthmus of Europe Minor to wielderfight his penisolate war: nor had topsawyer’s rocks by the stream Oconee exaggerated themselse to Laurens County’s gorgios while they went doublin their mumper all the time: nor avoice from afire bellowsed mishe mishe to tauftauf thuartpeatrick: not yet, though venissoon after, had a kidscad buttended a bland old isaac: not yet, though all’s fair in
vanessy, were sosie sesthers wroth with twone nathandjoe. Rot a peck of pa’s malt had Jhem or Shen brewed by arclight and rory end to the regginbrow was to be seen ringsome on the aquaface.

-to be continued
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 18th, 2009 at 6:56 am
I thank you from the bottom of my fart, finnius…
vincent cannata says:
September 18th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Don’t tempt me to put up sections of MY unpublished novel on here!!!!!!
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 18th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Go on vincent. If you put it on here, then I suppose it is technically published!
vincent cannata says:
September 18th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Just in the middle of last night’s OTE: For MORE-ON Christian FAILURE, check out Terry Jones’ “CRUSADES” series:
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=terry+jones+crusades&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 18th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
My second favourite Monty Python named Terry.

Reminded me of the Decomposing Composers bit a few OTE’s back during Music Is… cheered me up hearing that song again.
vincent cannata says:
September 18th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
I don’t know about Gilliam; Didn’t like “Brothers Grimm” or “Tideland” all that much…. let’s hope this “Imaginarium” thing is gonna be half-way decent! I’m sure with Tom Waits as the devil, it should have some good moments……..
Hoosier says:
September 18th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
You know! I live far away from Berkley and am in no way involved in manufacuring sound or visual collages. I like many things about negativland and over the edge but not because I share an interest in the making of this stuff but because I just like the content. From what I read here, I assume this is an allien concept.
vincent cannata says:
September 18th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Well, I DID make a ‘audio collage’ or two in my day, but that’s behind me now…. made my last ‘piece’ in ’97; I was working in an old AM station in New Orleans, with old ‘cart machines’ & ‘reel-to-reel’s, when the guy that ran the place and I decided to try to make ‘loops’ the old fashioned way; a pencil and a loop of tape…. called the entire thing “Frank-n-Basie”: the station played nothing but standards….. had a ball. You should try ‘makin’ stuff’ at least ONCE, Hoosier…… It’s lots of fun!
Hoosier says:
September 18th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Vincent… I do “make stuff” eg. paintings & drawings… wish i had creative skills in audio but I don’t. I just like listening to Over The Edge and Negativland and enjoy the product. What they do has value outside of any inner circle of audiophiles. I just like the shit I hear.
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 19th, 2009 at 3:54 am
re 30: Fair enough mate. I don’t listen to Negativland primarily because I make the odd bit of audio collage, I’m the same as you – I quite like it.

Think those of us (myself anyway) posting details of our own ‘stuff’ are working on the logical premise that maybe someone who likes negativland’s ‘stuff’ might also like our own similar(ish) ‘stuff’. And anyway, it’s nice to share, my mum always told me.

To be honest, the more technical aspects of the sounds etc I’m not that interested in, I like OTE because it has the ability to make me consider ideas, laugh and remind me of things I’d forgotten. And every now and again you will hear the Weatherman….
Just a Thought... says:
September 20th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
I was recently going through my Dr. Demento collection and decided to listen to the ‘animal’ themed shows (cats,dogs,ducks,etc.)…then I thought about it, thought about OTE, and started digging. I went through the past 15 years or so of OTE and didn’t seem to find any ‘animal’ themes.

I could’t find any. (does the UFO-Reptilians show count?) Now, normally I wouldn’t make suggestions to Don on his content, but it seems that this area has been untapped. Just a thought…
Positivhand says:
September 21st, 2009 at 1:23 am
There’s never been a show about sox either, unless…………………
…………..( cuts to 2 weeks later hwy 5 Bakersfield,ca ……HOTDOG HOTDOG gotchor ears on?? Channel 17 gotcha ears on boy, it’s the SOX Show starring me TYRONE TENDERFOOT!

An entire 10 minutes of me jamming you out while talking about nutin but sox. ALL KINDA SOX!! I aint gonna stop key’n up til I stop say’n SOX BABAY!!! I once bought a pair at a Jamacan flea market….ooooow I tell ya Sox for days!!
Greg Falkingham says:
September 21st, 2009 at 3:04 pm
I think the difference is, that sox don’t have quite the same impact on popular culture. Consider Animal Planet, the Micheal Vick case, Steve Irwin, Stupid Pet Tricks, PETA, the pet chimp in Connecticut that went nuts and tore a woman’s face and hands off…
Positivhand says:
September 22nd, 2009 at 12:56 am
…animals in sox….
Finnius says:
September 22nd, 2009 at 1:19 am
…or animal sock puppets!
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 22nd, 2009 at 6:15 am
errrrr…. OTE Live, It’s All in Your Head, shaving a monkey….

Very brief, but undoubtedly about animals…
B.Priest says:
September 22nd, 2009 at 11:21 am
Er…cats in bomber jackets?…..
Positivhand says:
September 23rd, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Welp, there you go Negativland.

An original idea; “cats in bomber jackets”.
Greg Falkingham says:
September 23rd, 2009 at 9:35 pm
An infinitely less evil idea than bombers in cat jackets (those bastards hate our feline freedom).
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 24th, 2009 at 3:52 am
re 40 & 41: not THAT original….

http://sojo-market.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/t-shirts-10.jpg
Positivham says:
September 25th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
RE 43: Touché, you are wise in the ways of geekdom.
B.Priest says:
September 26th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
re 43 That t-shirt ripped off my idea! bastards! i’ll see them in court!
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 27th, 2009 at 6:00 am
Oh Please Don’t Sue Us…

re 44: thanks.
Unoriginal says:
September 28th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
@46: Do you every say anything original, or do you just sub-reference everyone else’s work?
Greg Falkingham says:
September 29th, 2009 at 12:17 am
Um, what, you mean like Sampling, Cut-Ups and Collage? Yes, how odd that such things should turn up on a Negativland message board…
Positivham says:
September 29th, 2009 at 1:49 am
get off the computer.
get drunk
get laid
do some cool shi….hu uh oh what? No I’ll be off in a second mom.
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 29th, 2009 at 11:54 am
re 47: I do occasionally come up with original stuff, even on here from time to time.

Actually here’s a whole bunch of originals for you, if you can be bothered….

http://www.youtube.com/phantomguitarist01

From way back when I used to be in a band that wrote songs that didn’t contain samples….
B.Priest says:
September 29th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
No music/idea can be called original, it can be re-shaped, or re-packaged, it only matters whether you like it or not
brian says:
October 1st, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Looks like the folks at The Onion have fairly used a similar idea that I heard somewhere before…

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/pepsi_to_cease_advertising?utm_source=b-section
PhantomGuitarist says:
October 1st, 2009 at 12:40 pm
only took them 12 years…
Jonathan Breitenstein says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Remember to listen or you might miss the failure!
frnkndafunk says:
October 2nd, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Rung pung pillow … but no armadillo ! read then dictated
PhantomGuitarist says:
October 4th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Was thinking the other day, a good sample to use during the current OTE would be the one used at the start of GNR’s Civil War (from Cold Hand Luke, possibly) “what we got here is failure to communicate”. Especially if used during one of those rubbish mobile phone calls.
TheThroneThatFlushes says:
October 5th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
News Flash: Download now, follow flashing instructions.

Disclaimer:
Failure results from both the reading and the writing of this message, regardless of comprehension.
Finnius says:
October 5th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
…whatever happened to Deacon Shred Ralston and The Quantum Church? Yeah, I know it’s an old and obscure reference, but I’m still curious.
whateverwhatever says:
October 5th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
The Quantum Church has no need to pander to the full-on style council panel for what will happen in November.
whatever whatever a bazillion bazillion, and all eternities.
Hoosier says:
October 6th, 2009 at 12:16 am
Are there any sleazy rumors concerning Negativland/Over the Edge?
PhantomGuitarist says:
October 6th, 2009 at 7:45 am
The Weatherman and Pastor Dick have retired to live in the same house….

It’s up to the individual to see sleaze or otherwise in the above (perfectly factual) statement………
Processedbeef says:
October 6th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
re 60 & 61

They are actually the same person. The weatherman is actually a prototype speech recognition & synthesis program from the late 70′s. Richard Lions was an intern at Texas Instruments when it was developed and later terminated in favor of the cheaper Speak and Spell circuit.
Thats why you’ll never see them at the same time; why do you think Richard has such an extensive assortment of ZZ Top wigs and beards? Pure showbiz!
PhantomGuitarist says:
October 7th, 2009 at 5:32 am
re 62

The really weird thing is that when you listen to the Weatherman, he does sound like a speech synthesis program. I’m sure I saw Dick Vaughn working in a chip shop…
vincent cannata says:
October 7th, 2009 at 8:30 am
…… a MICRO-chip shop!
brian says:
October 8th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Alleged inventor of the ‘foon’ says, “F*CK the Spork people!!” noting that “…the patent office are a bunch of C*NTS!!!”. “They railroaded me.”
B.Priest says:
October 8th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
“We are fresh out of molotov-cocktails….baby”
whateverwhatever says:
October 10th, 2009 at 1:00 am
So……how about those 49ers?
vincent cannata says:
October 10th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
I prefer those ’69′s’!!
vincent cannata says:
October 10th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
…er’s
FC Xristo says:
October 11th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
hey guys am just trying to find my feet on the ground with my hom erecording. Just go to http://www.myspace.com/fcxristo and tell me hwta you think
PhantomGuitarist says:
October 13th, 2009 at 5:57 am
re 70, not my cup of tea mate, but well produced.
PhantomGuitarist says:
October 13th, 2009 at 7:30 am
http://couchtripper.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?t=5144

Good old British humour, courtesy of Viz Comic.

Enjoy
Joshua Irish's Teslar Overhaul says:
October 16th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Is crime legal yet? Minimal enumeration on the psychedelic credentials of the wanderer include this moment in the dance music theater at Lookout Injun Country Club: the cook, his phials, a deep toke at o dark thirty. Coldly stunned with the power of the alien image in which I become enmeshed. At the time I became very proficient at using a certain mind trick that many of my acquaintances had noticed to be very effective. They elected me as I volunteered to use this persuasive method of gently waving and mentioning a certain common word to carry an expensive stack of bright pink documents past a waiting horde of gangster bikers. I was suddenly part of a large multi-limbed and extremity-hinged and laden female freaka-zoidal torture-being upon a pedestal who commanded me to “take my take your knowledge and go” This knowledge was at the time that the overall idea of smoking from strange pipes was a bad idea for someone who had an infant son about whom he cared very much. The statue was in fact a guardian of youth baying the moral offender forward into the following encounter: From this horrified vision of a strange reality seen and understood to mean “Don’t do death-mimicking drugs; Ya’ ll have babies, fuck you, take your knowledge and go,” Then in my being I transitioned from this one-ness with the torture idol that I was seeing through the perceptions of my infant, experiencing things orally and in a different order and spectrum from normal adult perception, I transitioned from being ordered to take my knowledge and go to my shadow begging me not to reveal what I was about to be shown. I was sitting on this mountain top with my child and he was a little older, maybe about five and we were waiting for the impact of these two comets to destroy the earth and we could clearly see them approaching as the entire sky was already darkened with smoke and debris. The horizon was an open book with black pages tinged in lava and smouldering. The “deal” at the point was such:It was the G_d=UI birthday and “they” were going to destroy the universe as a suprise but they were going to refashion it as a gift, and the flesh of universal intelligence of humanity would of course be destroyed, but the refashioning would overjoy “Him=anthrosophos=666=PPP=etc”. So then they issued this assurance that all flesh of humanity would be recreated in an order according to how much of your personally chosen and stated holy essence you could recite or communicate accurately or truthfully. So we were sitting there and they are talking about me from a control room and I more or less overheard them explain how nouns work and they are like how’d he verb in here. So they say put him in code whatever, so then I’m by myself following this big rig trailer through the sky and it has all these lights going around on the outside of it with a message board scrolling through where the license plate would be and they are like “recite what you read until you can’t read anything anymore.” So “I am” genuinely scared for my life at what I have just seen and the test/sequence begins. So sitting there at about an hour before dawn in a quiet campground I start calling out loud “If you read the babble it will save your life,” The license plate message text kept going around and within half a minute I’m rapping out loud all by myself “If you read the babble it will save your life, if you read the babble it will save your life” and nearby relative observers began clapping and hooting along and we’re having this wierd jam and then the tractor trailer that I was flying behind through space turns back into the fried dough cart. I am not of any particularly enthusiastic persuasion. Rarely so the public display of affection of or for the sort. So it is highly incongruous for my character that I would “soulfully rap” these lyrics in the midst of the crowd at a sleepy hour. “If you read the babble it will save your life” for many bars, and with psychedelic gusto. And I was saying Bible. Suddenly the only thing left to say was “I don’t read the bible.” the dance music theater had emptied. We were camped in the handicapped section of the lookout so the athletic wheelchair racing dudes down the way really thought the sermon was on and were just beginning to get into it. So I had at least a dozen interested hipsters participating and grooving on a sixty second pre- dawn jam, and then when it was quickly and completely over I could not then suddenly explain the voyage and trial I had just endured. There was some disappointed murmuring from the crowd camped next door and what remained were trees through the cars twisting them off the ground and crushing them in their trunks and the idea that I had parked a very fancy racing car somewhere in the place and that it was fine. The “fuck you; take your knowledge and go” statue had however been all too menacing and personal with my suddenly infantile perceptions. The terror of the scenario, together with a looming combo was more than I could explain in a rap right then that went along with the bit that had just occurred. Momentarily I explained to my friend that I had been attempting to save the universe by willingly participating in my own extrication from the situation by reciting what the controllers had scrolled across the fried dough truck’s license plate…scripture is functionally illegible. Aware of “the” intent I reflexively add text. ” That’s the pre-judgemental belief in my delusions I learned from my shadow.” Once they get the nano-sized polymers on the sly they use the sustained frequency radiation of the hallucination transmitter to keep them going left and martial them into arts and crafty shapes. Moisture sticks to the particular particles individually tunably so, and light passing them provides coloration when seen from the ground. Sincere thanks for the awesome and intimidating display of the assassins, the peaceful archer, the decapitated one and the corpse in repose, with grieving distracted other. The bitch-folk that run the Leadership cult are typical TV Church members. Massive psychologists know when the mainstream population is most likely to be outside during any given episode of programming. On a glaring sabbath some accusing truant is likely to be out trying to convince church goers of the local badness of the missionary war machine. My swaggering martyr undertakes an inquisitive profusion of half legal wagers, at church manipulating her aerosol of appearance into being likewise inspired by similarly intervening television programming. The very idea of membership unbridles their avarice as they kick up their heels with reverent intolerance. The old urge to be correct as an in-crowd lets them do as they wish and turn their backs. If you happen by their festivity you must approach their behinds clad in expensive humble- pants, in which their candied-asses waggle a message of contentment that their eyes contradict. That they appear to be gathered there “first.” I’ve lived with many ghosts and lately I’m still young. Being the plant that I am I use them like dirt. My martyr assures you she bills Jihad by his other name. Some incisive native asks “Have you met this man?” Pressed for an answer, an invisible aggregate bounds out from the semblance of history, which is certainly convincin
Christian says:
October 16th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
http://nudges.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/advertisers-or-engineers-whose-ideas-would-lead-to-better-train-ride-between-london-and-paris/
Happy Hazard says:
October 16th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Re: 73
Am I the only one not interested in fiction anymore?
Why has fiction lost its attraction? Is it just me?
Greg Falkingham says:
October 16th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
I remember back in my University days, someone making the point that after Finnegan’s Wake, there really wasn’t anywhere else for fiction to go.

I think the open question is, is the written word as attractive a medium for storytelling now that other options exist? The tools are available now that even a single individual can create a film or interactive program that can reach an audience more easily than the current process for submitting and publishing a novel.

Still, as illiterate as we often think of our culture as being, there are still tons of books being written, and tons of books being bought and read. Like any artform, it never really dies just because all avenues for innovation have dried up.
PhantomGuitarist says:
October 17th, 2009 at 6:02 am
re 73: Your lack of spacing etc made your yarn a touch hard to read. What I did manage to wade through seemed like a really bad trip. Try paragraphs, sometimes rules are there to make life easier for everybody.

re 76: I still prefer the written word as a means to tell a story. Movies are all good and well but for the best of novels the movie would need to be about 9 or 10 hours long, minimum. Fucked if I want to sit through a film that long, I wanted to kill Peter Jackson after the 2nd fade up at the end of LOTR3.

Then again, I still think you could sum up LOTR trilogy in about 20 mins. Never was a fan of THOSE books.

re 75: It may not be just you, but as you can see it is definitely not me. I read books all the time, and have a bookcase crammed full of novels and non fiction. Theres even a couple of Negativland books on my shelves….
vincent cannata says:
October 17th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Don’t tempt me to put an except from my unpublished novel up here!!!!!!!
PhantomGuitarist says:
October 18th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
so, uh the new novel, hows that going for you??? you got a plot, main character gets into some trouble that gets resolved eventually, an unexpected twist???? hmmm hmm…. good luck with that…
vincent cannata says:
October 18th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
You know, it WAS that bit from “Family Guy” back in ’05 that got my rolling that ball in the first place!!!
PhantomGuitarist says:
October 19th, 2009 at 3:20 am
great minds vince, great minds………
Crazy42 says:
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Here’s what happened the week, back in 1982, I spent with Rocky. ,
PhantomGuitarist says:
October 22nd, 2009 at 4:40 pm
The strangest things come up when you type your own name into youtube (hey man I was bored).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgJIJLy9C_8

Yes, I do share the exact same name as the guy in this clip…
Test says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:13 am
testing
Joshua Irish's Teslar Overhaul says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 11:36 am
Well dear, it is a completed and published novel with an absolutely gorgeous cover of magnified cannabis. I composed and edited the entire thing in a sweeet acid stupor, and self-published through troybookmakers.com. I’m working on a distribution deal through my agent with the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors. The book is 200 pgs in 6″x9″, and is a meditation on global and personal power conundrums. I?LSD&Techno, esp. NEGATIVLAND!!! Teslar Overhaul

another brief excerpt, sorry about the lack of conventional paragraphing but the book is a real time composition derived from the ingestion of over 2500 hits of swiss and californian acid, and is writ as genuine legend of the period.

My mother equates financial accomplishment with spiritual superiority. In her condescension anyone who hasn’t gotten as much money as her using banking and franchise warp interfaces needs her version of empty cryptic Leadership. I’ve decided to reveal that in my belief structure vitality of life at the end of the Mayan long count is spiritual superiority. My leadership mocks its own sacred cow. I’m here to steal the face of her exclusive savior. It might be more than who she says “He” is. The Name is insisted upon overmuch. My martyr calls it holy scripture but I call it old poetry. “He was no criminal but for your various felonies he distracted the eternal cops and got killed. They thought He was you so if you always remember what happened you’ll get away.”
This is a powerful position from which I don’t care. Please excuse my outrageous human pose. Nylon is different from natural rope. Nylon fibers are stronger and sharper than hemp fibers. Nylon doesn’t just chafe, it also saws. A taut nylon rope is an expedient hack saw. So let the nylon do the work. If it does not first cut my body free then the fallen leaves will expose me. Simian fingers drop a fruitless egg. The breeze settles. Late summer. Particles of titanium and gold take their places. The sun drags around parabolic moorings through darkness as morning. Distant metal flies climb interminably on long pointing puffed streaks that smear gauzily. If only Google’s guns can observe hunger and appreciate life and death in still oneness then eternity breathes open personably. ‘Till then all these hopes and dreams are for a life in a world that is going out of business, so they’ll be shot accordingly into a paper towel please.

Ahem. From a commanding outcrop in time I view history through TV! Ever higher climbs the remote for the next vantage of the future from the present. I’ve got places to go and shows to watch when I get there. I was born to watch my favorite show. In an odd continuum the present always refreshes itself relentlessly while the future comes and goes past and still there’s the future up a few channels. Eventually dirt gets you mad humble though your show is still on! You pass in reality from your mysterious genesis to a particular outlook.
vincent cannata says:
October 24th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
re:85: Best of luck to you!

On another note: A Booper with no reverb, is no Booper to me!
The Booper sounded sad and lonely last Thurs/Fri.
JB says:
October 24th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Poor Booper
As moses said to the egyptians, “Let my boopers go!”
Wolf Fishbein says:
October 25th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Finally a way to view Squant!:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_shrimp_dvds
PhantomGuitarist says:
October 26th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
re 88 Quote “Just why the mantis shrimp needs such a rarefied level of vision is unclear, although researchers suspect it is to do with food and sex.”

EVERYTHING is to do with food and sex.
vincent cannata says:
October 26th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Well, don’t we ALL need a rarefied level of VISION!?!?!
PhantomGuitarist says:
October 27th, 2009 at 5:56 am
re 85: Fair play mate, good luck.
vincent cannata says:
October 31st, 2009 at 2:29 pm
“UN-CLEAAAAAAAAANNNN!!!”
Haven’t heard that in ages!

Another fun Halloween OTE~!

Thanks.
PhantomGuitarist says:
October 31st, 2009 at 7:23 pm
An experiment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMrZ8N1DzqM
Hoosier says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 10:47 pm
God and Halloween seem appropriate.
JB says:
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:30 am
Damn you negativland I still have not gotten my DVD! It does look awesome though and i can’t wait to watch it.

On another note my RCA mp3 player broke when i tried listening to the beatles, is this John Lennon’s way of screwing with the American Populous O_o
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 3rd, 2009 at 2:16 pm
JB, it IS a good DVD. Mine came quite quickly I seem to recall, all the way to sunny Glasgow, Scotland.
Happy Hazard says:
November 3rd, 2009 at 11:07 pm
In an effort to encourage this Negativ backyard blog to become appointment blogging for millions and millions of Americans all over this planet, I suggest using this bunch of pixels to expose new or unusual conceptual positioning with regard to culture and human perception.
Concerning the latter, you must have noticed as I have, that sound quality (The quality of the sound) used in all digital formats is mattering less and less, not more and more, as the digital era continues.
I believe this is because once sound reproduction reaches an “end” for human perception, anything beyond which is useless to our human senses as in the digital era, our mediums become more inclined to include a whole variety of Hi Fi levels in the content, mining anywhere in our audio past.
In digital media, we have begun to cease distinguishing the highest Hi Fi as an imperative in audio reproduction now that “perfection” is actually possible.
And cell phones have been instrumental in degrading our “acceptable” standards for sound reproduction.
JB says:
November 4th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Nobodies really hearing the music anymore, my friends just listen but they don’t hear it, that’s what bands like negativland are about
vincent cannata says:
November 4th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Speaking of the DVD, I FINALLY hear the COMMENTARY on “At home With The Weatherman” yesterday! Who knew Dick scored DOPE?!?!?!
JB says:
November 4th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Go Dick! lol that would explain alot
vincent cannata says:
November 4th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
“Thinking NEGATIVELY can boost your memory, study finds.”
Read all about it:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091102/lf_nm_life/us_mood_memory
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 4th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
re 99, he always sounded pretty stoned to me, especially the Moribund Music of the 70′s stuff.
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 4th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
re 101: yes vincent, but failure is always imminent.
JB says:
November 5th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Studies show that 99.9% of people will be shot point blank in the stamper. And will reach ULTIMATE FAILURE!!!
Ed says:
November 5th, 2009 at 11:54 am
The mega-corporations/media-conglomerates/crooked politicians (a.k.a. “Powers That Be”) want to make the sharing of “copyrighted material” more illegal and jail even more people. They even consider mash-ups and collages illegal. But consider this:
they never *once* properly define the word “copyright”! if someone wishes to share one’s own material with another, then, technically, it is still “copyrighted material”, even if it only contains the original ideas of that individual. According to the laws working up, it will be illegal to share any copyrighted material, rendering everything illegal, unless they change their semantics. See, they keep ASSUMING the definition of the phrase “sharing copyrighted material” automatically means material owned by mega-corporations. A more logical phrase (for what they are after) is the sharing of “corporate-owned” material (not simply “copyright”). It is a matter of semantics, and since these Powers-That-Be are working up more legalese cases against “file-sharers”, semantics is important in this case. Think of this: I seriously doubt they will argue in favor of an independent artist having his/her work, or even ideas, stolen by a major corporation, yet that happens frequently! Copyright law states that as soon as one puts an idea on paper or other physical form, it is “copyrighted”, with that individual owning the copyright (or “right to copy”). Independent thinkers, artists, musicians, filmmakers, writers, etc., however, have no recourse when it comes to huge corporations stealing their ideas (the copyrights of individuals). Independent individuals cannot fight if they do not have mega-millions-of-dollars to use in their legal defense. The elite powers-that-be only want more power and control, while removing more freedoms from the general public, thereby creating more of a slave-based society and economy.
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 5th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
re 105: wot ee sed….
Bigfan Bigfan says:
November 5th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
How was radio done in the 90′s?
Happy Hazard says:
November 5th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Re: 105
Yes, it’s unbelievable that we are so deep (over three decades) into “found” source material reuses in ALL the arts, by now obviously a validated method to make new art by all artistic accounts, that the barrier of copyright laws still stand unchanged as if nothing has happened.
There is now a distinct disconnect between law and art, (illegal = desirable) and although lawsuits have seemed to diminish in recent years, we are all still subject to the vindictive whims of our multiple source owners anytime they care to invoke them.
We continue to plead for copyright reform within these new artistic conditions. Something simple like “Fair Use For Collage” added to copyright law would be a widely art-curing improvement all by itself.
Copyright law, itself, states the reason for having copyright laws is to ENCOURAGE the creation of new art. Well?
JB says:
November 6th, 2009 at 8:33 am
re 108. It’s so damn hard to create new art, to create something new it has to be different than everything else! Sure it can be an original way of saying something else but it is still that something else, We are unable to create new things unless we quit dwelling on the old things, however, if we can start to let go of what we already know then we can start thinking outside of the box and not dwell on what we have been raised around, we have accepted many ideas and are unable to see anything else besides what we have been raised around. Realizing that is the first step to creation.
vincent cannata says:
November 6th, 2009 at 11:55 am
It’s always been about money! ‘If a sample falls in the woods…’. The world now is such that you can do ANYTHING, and, if your lucky, someone will say, I like it! That’s if your lucky! I believe now . it’s a case of ‘If you ignore it, it will go away’! Just this year, I’ve gotten such much stuff for free, (and, thank BOB, too, since I don’t have the money I used to have) that the ‘industry’ is now nothing but a joke!
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 6th, 2009 at 11:57 am
re 109: I would argue that re-creating things need not be boring. Do you no longer derive pleasure from listening to Hendrix, Marley, Cobain, Burton(cliff), Bach, whatever?

I like outside the box, but there’s still plenty inside the box worth listening to, discovering, reviewing and renewing, sampling, mashing up or whatever. I would love to hear something brand new, but I think Crosley is right, Everything Has Been Done Before.
vincent cannata says:
November 6th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Sounds like an album title!
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 6th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
I was thinking that as I typed it. Hands off Negland, the title is my copyright!!!!
JB says:
November 6th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
re 111: I was more talking about being original, there is not anything wrong with mashups or collages otherwise i would hate negativland (Speaking of which, SEND MY MOVIE ALREADY)
JB says:
November 6th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
and not everything has been done, thats the kind of thinking we need to get rid of
Happy Hazard says:
November 6th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
I just received this in my email:

Secret Copyright Treaty Leaks, It’s Bad. Very Bad. 11/3/09. This is
regarding the internet chapter of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade
Agreement, the Obama administration has refused to release the text
on “national security” grounds, but contents have leaked.
* That ISPs have to proactively police copyright on user-contributed
material. This means that it will be impossible to run a service like
Flickr or YouTube or Blogger, since hiring enough lawyers to ensure
that the mountain of material uploaded every second isn’t infringing
will exceed any hope of profitability.
* That ISPs have to cut off the Internet access of accused copyright
infringers or face liability. This means that your entire family
could be denied to the internet — and hence to civic participation,
health information, education, communications, and their means of
earning a living — if one member is accused of copyright
infringement, without access to a trial or counsel.
* That the whole world must adopt US-style “notice-and-takedown”
rules that require ISPs to remove any material that is accused —
again, without evidence or trial — of infringing copyright. This has
proved a disaster in the US and other countries, where it provides an
easy means of censoring material, just by accusing it of infringing
copyright.
* Mandatory prohibitions on breaking DRM, even if doing so for a
lawful purpose (e.g., to make a work available to disabled people;
for archival preservation; because you own the copyrighted work that
is locked up with DRM)
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 7th, 2009 at 7:40 am
re 116: that is indeed very very worrying. I sometimes feel that these big record labels etc are so out of touch with the general public that they don’t even realise what they do is alienating us more and eroding their profits further. They will end up destroying themselves if they are not careful.

It does seem strange to me that they have a problem with illegal downloading, when I am sure many who may or may not be downloading illegally also are quite likely to own a pretty extensive library of legitimate ‘product’. I truly do believe that the harm downloading does to profits is negligible. Otherwise these companies would have totally disappeared by now. They haven’t because people ARE STILL BUYING CD’S DVD’S ETC.

Downloading is so easily done and so accessible nowadays that if everyone was going to download rather than buy ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING, then sales of CD’s and DVD’s etc would be very very reduced. They’re not.

There is a recession going on in most parts of the world, people are buying less of everything, even clothes and food for God’s sake if there even was one. Is it that surprising that sales are falling slightly in what are essentially luxury items. If people are going hungry, surely it is not that strange that they are choosing not to buy the latest Beatles remasters or American Idol manufactured piss pop albums.

I’ll stop ranting now.
Finnius says:
November 9th, 2009 at 6:48 am
@Jen:
First off, I KNOW that this is not your fault, Jen. I had been away from the site for some weeks (multiple personal tragedies) I cam back because I wanted to purchase a few more of the OTE shows, but thought I would catch up by trying to get some of the newer shows that I have missed. (the halloween show, art show, and a couple of the ‘fail’ shows).
I found it basically impossible to get the free shows tonight. They would cancel out after d/ling 8 megs, 30 megs, etc. I have been trying all nite, and still haven’t been able to get a single one (and it’s now almost 4am PST!)
I still remember the debacle that I had the first time I tried to order an old OTE show, and it happened to be around the time that the server decided to delete part of the catalog. Honestly, at this point, I am AFRAID to even try. I am curious as to whether or not people PAYING for shows are getting better results at downloading the shows.
Now, I’m really not bitching about the free shows…hell they are free, so I can’t complain, BUT I would like to know if things have been sorted out for those of us that actually PURCHASE older shows. I really don’t want to have to wait 3 weeks to get another order…or have my “7 tries” get wasted because the damn server is doing auto-timeouts after a minute or so.
Finnius says:
November 9th, 2009 at 7:11 am
As to “illegal” downloading of DIGITAL MEDIA…it’s my opinion that all digital media should be free. Anything broadcast over the airwaves is free for ‘capture’ with a radio. I feel that in this modern age, that DIGITAL media be considered in the same vein. Digital media is transmitted virtually the same way that AM/FM was done in the old days.
If Artists and Big Business want to keep their products ‘contained and controlled’…perhaps a new mode of delivery should be created. Obviously, it should be apparent that downloading music, movies, programs, games, etc. is easy…and getting FASTER as our technology gets faster. It would be ludicrous to think that you can ‘put the genie back in the bottle’…get over it, its NOT going to happen.
I find it extremely humourous when people cry out about ‘theft’ or ‘people not getting paid’ or whatever the arguement may be at the moment. Obviously, the digital age lends itself, BY ITS OWN CREATION, to be fast, efficient, and easily transmitted and duplicated. Big Business CREATED digital media…forced us to accept it as the norm, and now whines because its easier and faster to copy than cassettes and LP’s?? HAHAHA!

And as for artists…well, if are trying to make a living with music, video, whatnot…perhaps YOU need to think about a new way to deliver the goods to your buyers. If you truly think that your digital creations will not be copied, you ARE delusional.
B.Priest says:
November 9th, 2009 at 10:56 am
“All property is theft”?…
Finnius says:
November 9th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
The native american indians thought so…
Petertivland says:
November 9th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
This is Peter from Negativland – Mr. JB: you ordered a DVD from Seeland and have not received it yet? Please write me at peter@negativland.com, as I am showing no outstanding orders!
Finnius says:
November 9th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
…but you are straying from the thought. This IS the digital age. We now have the ability to share information (whatever that entails, be it books, music, encyclopedic knowledge…whatever) via the internet on a worldwide basis. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? I consider it a good thing to be able to share information globally, instantly. In this ‘Age of Information’ the general public is now able to access everything…from doctoral dissertations about the latest medical advances…to an endless onslaught of mindless YouTube vids. You take the good with the bad.

Should we go back to the dark ages, where information was kept hidden and secret, where only a fraction of the populace had the power that comes with information? People were kept illiterate and thus control was formed.

What I’m saying is that you can’t have it both ways. You can’t have a cheap, easily reproducible medium on which to create, and NOT have it easily reproducible. I myself DO download a lot of stuff, oh yes…but I DO support those that I WANT TO. Artists like Negativland, The Residents and Einstuerzende Neubauten get my money. And it goes to them DIRECTLY. If I were to buy something from some .mp3 site and download an album…how much of that goes to the artist? I’ll bet the answer is NONE or A PITTANCE.

Also, I find it funny that…according to those FBI warnings on store-bought dvd’s…you don’t even OWN that DVD. You are merely LEASING IT. Is that store-bought DVD “property”? And since it’s in YOUR HANDS, and paid for with YOUR money… don’t you “own” it? Can’t you do what you like with what you “own”. Are you going to tell me that YOU have never copied an LP, cassette, DVD, or videotape for a friend…EVER? If so, then you should go to jail…correct? What if EVERYONE that had ever copied anything went to jail. How many people would still be walking the streets today?
Christian says:
November 9th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
There are those I suspect dream of jailing the vast majority of humanity.
vincent cannata says:
November 10th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Zappa called it : “Total Criminalization”!
He ‘nailed it’ back in ’79!
Finnius says:
November 10th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
@Christian

Ah, but who would flip the Mcburgers, and tend the lawns, etc, etc. We couldn’t incarcerate the entire poverty/lower/middle class because there would be no WORKERS left…lol. Can’t run a machine without the cogs.

In my opinion, little infractions and minor deviations from accepted norms are allowed as a ‘venting’ mechanism. Frustrations about the poor quality of life need release, and if you can ‘get one over THE MAN’…you feel a bit better. It’s best to allow these little things and in this way keep the huddled masses quiescent, rather than grouping up and causing trouble…wanting ‘change’ and ‘fairness’ and ‘a new system’…or that dreaded “D” word…democracy
Christian says:
November 10th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Re 125: Patrick McGoohan has been quoted as saying “Freedom is a myth,” but I have no idea when he said it, if he did. Ever notice how rich people put bars over their windows and around their properties (and communities)? It’s as if when Certain Men Get Their Way they make themselves prettier, more comfortable prisons to live in.

Re 126: I don’t think humans are economically necessary any longer. Computers are better at trading stocks and corporations are just as capable of selling to one another. Now, if we could just convince the fundamentalist Capitalists that there is no Money…
JB says:
November 11th, 2009 at 9:03 am
We need libertarianism to kick in, the government shouldn’t be doing anything besides delivering mail and fixing our roads.
Greg Falkingham says:
November 11th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
yeah, because who needs all those old and sick people anyway, right? Who needs police when you got a six shooter by your side? Ah, America, how I love you…
Finnius says:
November 11th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
…the gun and the bible…
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 12th, 2009 at 10:18 am
time for chapter 8?
vincent cannata says:
November 12th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Saw “Men Who Stare At Goats” last night……..

cute.
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 12th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
re 132 have read the book quite a while ago, some scary stuff in there. Is the film as much of a comedy as it would appear to be?
B.Priest says:
November 12th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
Anything with george clooney in is scary
vincent cannata says:
November 13th, 2009 at 8:15 am
re133: YES! Kevin Spacey’s ‘death touch’ is straight up Monty Python! However, having a ‘disorientated’ soldier shoot up an army camp smack in the middle of the movie is, how do you say, a little too close to recent events that this movie will wind up like “Big Trouble”….. anybody remember THAT film?
Released just days after 9/11, “Big Trouble” features a very funny scene in a airport where a bomb makes it through customs! Showing airport security to be a bunch of ‘low-paycheck’ earning slackers was NOT what the public wanted to see. Still, it’s a funny movie….. just like “Goats” is.
vincent cannata says:
November 13th, 2009 at 8:18 am
re134: And yes, “Big Trouble” stars Tim Allen….. talk about ‘scary’!
JB says:
November 13th, 2009 at 8:55 am
The weatherman was right, failure is imminent.
vincent cannata says:
November 13th, 2009 at 11:36 am
If you’re refering to these two movies, yes failure is/was imminent.
Hoosier says:
November 13th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
re130….the gun and the bible…more dire consequences from these two than from the weatherman or people who stare at goats or Kevin Spacey or even Tim Allen…..It’s amazing that anyone still believes in Libertarianism….more and more I come to understand that life is but a joke ….and so am I….and so are you
vincent cannata says:
November 14th, 2009 at 8:24 am
re139 I tend a swing more towards the Bill Hicks theory: “Life is a ride.”
Christian says:
November 14th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Re libertarianism: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/02/science/02free.html
Greg Falkingham says:
November 15th, 2009 at 12:05 am
Has ‘Synth Britannia’ appeared on anyone’s radar here recently? It’s highly recommended. It up on YouTube in ten minute chunks, but I know it can be found on torrents as well.

A lot of really interesting interviews. I was especially taken with Richard H Kirk talking about the inspiration behind ‘Red Mecca’.

If only the CBC could do a ‘Synth Canadiana’. Whenever I think of that era, I’m reminded of the flood of Canadian new wave acts – The Spoons, Martha and the Muffins, Images In Vogue (leading to Skinny Puppy), Moev, Psyche, Rational Youth and more.
Hoosier says:
November 15th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Re 141 Thank you….I needed that
JB says:
November 16th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
That is the best thing i have ever read in my entire life. We decide what happens in the next instant of our life.
Christian says:
November 17th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Did it take you two days to come up with that spin? Or did you just skim the article?
JB says:
November 18th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Haven’t been on in awhile, I read the part about how they defined libertarian, and it makes more sense than the opposing argument that our path is decided for us.
JB says:
November 18th, 2009 at 8:45 am
I was speaking in an ironical sense by the way.
Christian says:
November 18th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Someone told me irony is dead, and I thought, “Great! Now how am I going to get the wrinkles out of my shirt?”
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 18th, 2009 at 10:27 am
My ironing board cover was wrinkled, I laughed at the irony then laughed again because irony has the word ‘iron’ in it….
Christian says:
November 18th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
That’s funny, almost the exact same thing happened with my sarcasming board cover.
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 18th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
I would love to live in a world where you could buy a board to do all your sarcasm for you.

Thinking about it, it would have been an ideal addition to a Douglas Adams novel.
Mr.Antagonism says:
November 19th, 2009 at 12:19 am
Regarding record labels destroying themselves,I work at a record store,and while some labels have gotten smarter(ie putting mp3 downloads or cd with vinyl releases)I see even more who are just blindly stumbling toward failure(overpricing,delays in release dates(this happens a lot more than you would expect),reissuing artists to the point that even die hard fans get burned out(do we really need yet another Elvis Costello reissue of This Years Model,or Bowies catalog?),even EMI recently said they were depending on rereleases of Bowies back catalog to save them financially)…this year the labels planned a vinyl saturday event,once a month on a saturday,very limited vinyl 45s and or lps would be issued…it went well for about a month,then it failed,until this past saturday when nothing came at all(it was to be a Beatles Abbey Road pack with a shirt and lp…it never materialized,and the plug was officially pulled on Vinyl Saturday,the industry admitting poor planning and ineptude on their part.

To top this off trying to keep a store open,ascap is breathing down our necks for us to pay for the occasional free instore performances we have,even when a band is not affiliated with ascap…

I think in the end the indie labels that have their shit together and a price structure that doesn’t scare off consumers will be the last ones standing…there will always be people who want to hold physical product in their hands…but more everyday who are weaned on the compressed sound of mp3s and think that they are good sound quality…

Rant off…thanks for listening.
Christian says:
November 19th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
A little more re libertarianism: http://www.slate.com/id/2233966/

And, for further amusement, more re politics in general:
Christian says:
November 19th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Oops!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,182641,00.html

http://www.newsweek.com/id/218637

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200612/the-ideological-animal

http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/06_politic.html

http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/05/21/trauma-based-mind-control/
JB says:
November 20th, 2009 at 8:24 am
I finally got “Our Favorite Things” after 3 weeks, its okay negativland, anyway that is one of the most disturbing things i have ever seen. I loved it. I could see how “normal people” wouldn’t like it however.
vincent cannata says:
November 20th, 2009 at 8:39 am
Disturbing??
Someone made a more ‘relevant’ version of “The Bottom Line” on YouTube…..

but, I do admit, a tear comes to my eye during “Over The Hiccups”.
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 21st, 2009 at 8:45 am
re 155: Not sure if I mentioned on here before, but my 7 year old has liked over the hiccups for the past few years. There’s no way I could let her watch the video for it, though. She likes Gimme the Mermaid, which is about the only one I let her view.

She likes Four Fingers, which I have on a bootleg live DVD (More Than Live), I can’t let her watch that one, since Mark chops his fingers off during it…. Perhaps next year for that one.
vincent cannata says:
November 21st, 2009 at 9:18 am
The Commentary for “Mermaid” is a special kind of ‘annoying’!
vincent cannata says:
November 21st, 2009 at 11:57 am
NO ONE CAN STOP THE BEATLE MASH!

1) Someone made a ‘mash-album’ based on ‘solo’ material. He’s got a cute story to go with it, too.
http://www.thebeatlesneverbrokeup.com/

2) Here’s a 10 minute track centered around the X-mas records:
http://www.tomteeley.com/beatles_mashup.php

cute
JB says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 8:37 am
Gimme the mermaid is very well done, Over the hiccups I wouldn’t let suicidal teenagers watch, and how they connected the homicidal kid with Mashin’ of the christ i have no idea.
Hoosier says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Ayn Rand is frightening….I prefer Over the Hiccups!!
vincent cannata says:
November 24th, 2009 at 10:30 am
I never said it was ‘frightening’….. it just made me cry.
But, then again, I’m a big PUSS!
I cried when Jesse is left in the box, in the middle of “Toy Story 2″, and I always cry when I listen to “You Don’t Even Live Here”!!
God, what a great track!
Thank you, Negativland!
vincent cannata says:
November 24th, 2009 at 10:33 am
re:159: You were being funny, right?
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 25th, 2009 at 11:00 am
re 161: Try watching the first 20 mins of UP without crying.

I thought Jesse being left in the box was pretty amusing actually.
vincent cannata says:
November 25th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
UP?? My wife says the same thing….. I felt like the way I felt when I was given one of those “Rainbow Bridge” cards: You know, when a cat or dog dies, and the vet hands you that card that says, “When you die, your dog/cat will BE THERE….. and he/she will RUN TO YOU, and LOVE YOU!”
Pheee-you! What kind of manipulative crap is THIS?, I thought, as I turned to the wife…. tears streaming down her face!

No, it’s expression of content-ness in Jessie face, not knowing she’s about to be ABANDONED that ‘hits’ me! Death is death!
“Do you realize, that everyone,
you know,
one day,
will die.”
Like I said, about “You Don’t Even Live Here”; I can’t tell if it’s what she’s saying that kills me, or, the fact that for years I thought it was just an up-tempo song with incomprehensible ‘megaphone’ noise behind it. Just another song to ‘bop’ your head to. And, THEN, actually LISTENING to her plight….. my guilt for not knowing the seriousness of the subject.
Still hits me.
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 26th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Yes, we all die. I fully accept that. Still gets me though, it’s the loss of love I think and the unfulfillment of dreams that does it more than the death. The scene at the hospital followed by the nursery turning into just another room hit me quite hard as well.

I agree with you on ‘You Don’t Even Live Here’ not sure how many times I listened to that one before I finally realised what she was going on about.
Amy Elisabeth says:
November 29th, 2009 at 1:19 am
Come home
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 29th, 2009 at 10:57 am
re 166: A lot to read there Amy, but have skimmed through and interesting stuff I must say.

Have bookmarked it for later.
whatever whatever says:
November 30th, 2009 at 12:35 am
…and a billion infinities
JB says:
November 30th, 2009 at 8:51 am
I believe religion was created partly to help human beings accept death, it is scary it truly is, I have had many deaths in my family and not a single one hasn’t changed me, as a person, as a living vessel, as a lover… a bit cheesy i realize but you get it.
JB says:
November 30th, 2009 at 8:54 am
and by the way yes i did go back in time and post mine at a time before yours whatever whatever lol
JB says:
November 30th, 2009 at 8:55 am
wait nevermind, i’m too tired to realize my own mistakes AH!!!
vincent cannata says:
November 30th, 2009 at 9:45 am
sorry about all the death in your life…..
Here’s a distraction:
Just saw the British TV show “Spaced” on hulu this week:
pretty funny!

I recommend it!
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 30th, 2009 at 11:30 am
re 172: talk about co-incidence. I was watching my ‘Spaced’ DVD just this weekend. Have had it for ages. Great show.
JB says:
December 1st, 2009 at 8:25 am
I don’t know about that one but a great tv show i started watching recently was ALF. Great show.
vincent cannata says:
December 1st, 2009 at 9:25 am
Well, a friend of mine ‘forced’ “Extras” on me;
sent me the 12 eps. and said “Watch it!”
Now, I don’t think “The Office” is ‘all that’, and, while this one still has that whiff of “Office” on it…… it wasn’t awful.
The comedy of ‘embarrassment’ get a little old.
Covering every ‘don’t-say-that-in-front-of’ fill-in-the-blank can have it’s value, but…..
meh. I’s alright.
PhantomGuitarist says:
December 1st, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Ricky Gervais can only do one character and that is essentially Ricky Gervais.

Blunder is a good sketch show. Worth a watch. Wouldn’t ‘force’ it on anyone, but I recommend it.
adam wash says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:35 am
whats the latest on “the buzz”, izz it gone now?
JB says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:22 am
I think everyone should watch next weeks episode of the venture brothers, It’s got cthulhu in it!!! at least thats what i’m led to believe. Its on at 12:00am sunday
vincent cannata says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 12:06 pm
re:178: Was gonna watch it anyway!
Go Team Venture!
Hoosier says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Is Negativland trying to deliberately mislead folks about the number of fans that have something to say? I don’t count “179 people”.
JB says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:26 am
re 180: yeah good point, Apparently every post even under the same name is a unique person *laughs*, I wonder if Negativlands albums sync up with any movies??
vincent cannata says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:25 am
Maybe they didn’t expect ‘crazies’ such as ourselves to be on here ALL THE TIME!
PhantomGuitarist says:
December 4th, 2009 at 6:10 am
Every time you come on here to post you are another distinct individual from the last time you posted, as you have something unique to say, different from last time. Also you may have matured (or IMmatured) since last time posting.

We all know Negativland have virtually NO fans. Would any of us want it any other way?
JB says:
December 4th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Too true PhantomG, I keep trying to get people at my school to get into them but they are to freaked out, for instance i tried to let my friend linzy listne to what so proudly we fail part 2 and it cut it to the death of dick vaughan right when she started listening. She doesn’t like them now.
Greg Falkingham says:
December 4th, 2009 at 11:11 am
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2009/12/03/ottawa-pirate-radio-station.html

I think what made me smile most about this story is that there is actually some idealistic young kid out there who still dreams of running his own radio station -and in a way that radio hasn’t been since since he was alive, but in a way he knows that it SHOULD be done.
PhantomGuitarist says:
December 4th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
re 184 – I only ever managed to get my wife SLIGHTLY into Negland, have never tried with any friends. I just know they wouldn’t get it straight away (if I’m honest I didn’t) and would be unlikely to give the time required for it to finally click. The radio shows are probably not the best in-road. I’d go with Thigmotactic or Dispepsi as a starting point as they are the most commercial sounding (not that they are commercial but you know what I mean). I was replying to a post on another forum about best albums of the past decade, and the first to spring to mind was IAYHFM, which to me is the best album I’ve heard in a long LONG time. I don’t think many on the forum would have heard of Negativland and probably not a lot of them would like that album in particular, but the question was asked, so….

re 185: A great little story there, pity he got busted. I really don’t get the problem as far as copyright goes, surely hearing a song on the radio that you like still makes some folk seek it out and buy it?

On a completely unrelated note, Xmas is a time for giving so from around 13th or 14th December Phantom G will be giving all of the interweb some presents. Details will follow nearer the time.
Nate says:
December 4th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
Tell your online store not to resize my motherfucking browser. There’s no other possibility.
JB says:
December 7th, 2009 at 8:22 am
CTHULHU FTAGHN! I saw Venture Bros. today and it was a good episode, bane to you who didn’t watch it.
vincent cannata says:
December 7th, 2009 at 10:20 am
I’m glad there was at least ONE music reference:
A short but sweet ‘nod’ to Alien Sex Fiend!
The Count of Monte Crisco says:
December 8th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Good Hello,

OTE fan from way back who just stumbled onto the archives, and wow! This is a goldmine and absolutely well worth the donations per show.

If I may request a couple of shows to get bumped up the restoration ladder, The Sample Show (Aug. 94) is fantastic and I would love to replace my long-worn-out cassette copy, and Sugar and Spice (June 94) was on my to-do list for quite a while.

— CMC
JB says:
December 9th, 2009 at 8:23 am
For those of you wii owners, GET SILENT HILL SHATTERED MEMORIES!!! Best game ever, really hard and fun adn it messes with your head something fierce.
PhantomGuitarist says:
December 9th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
re 191: Think I will get that game, loved the PS2 silent hills, with exception of The Room which was far far FAR too difficult.
PhantomGuitarist says:
December 9th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Bah Humbug. Not out here until Feb 2010…..
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Christian says:
December 9th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Oh boy! Negativland’s chance at the big time!
PhantomGuitarist says:
December 10th, 2009 at 4:37 am
The first bit of proper spam. And so it begins….
JB says:
December 10th, 2009 at 8:27 am
re: 192, well room for me wasn’t difficult, story was kinda stupid, TAKE A CROWBAR TO THE DOOR DAMMIT!
Greg Falkingham says:
December 10th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
‘For those of you wii owners, GET SILENT HILL SHATTERED MEMORIES!!! Best game ever, really hard and fun adn it messes with your head something fierce.’

Not to turn this into the Penny Arcade forums, but this is the bit I would lime for truth. I didn’t actually find it super hard at all (apart from one chase sequence early on), but it is very different from a lot of other games out there, and is really well put together. I’m debating about how to play through the second time, since I went for honest answers and reactions the first time around (the psyche profile stuff is extremely neat, and in some respects quite accurate).
vincent cannata says:
December 11th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
HOLY SMOKES!
Am I to believe there will be NO MORE NEGATIVLAND RECORDINGS?!?!?!!?

Am I hearing that right?

There will be NO MORE 40 to 80 minute ‘pieces’ by the group of people who call themselves Negativland??????

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Say it ain’t so,
Negativland says:
December 12th, 2009 at 7:20 am
Oh well, there probably will be (an officially commercial disc version of “It’s All In Your Head FM” if nothing else.)

But really, aside from the forces of the art impulse, haven’t we done enough?
vincent cannata says:
December 12th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Well, gosh ‘Negativland’, if that is, in fact, your real name,
You’re REALLY GOOD!
And, I can only assume that YOU LIKE DOING IT….
but, if you don’t , then you’ll permit me a bit of time to mourn the end of a nice flow of ‘art’…….
I understand, things come to an end, and, if that’s the end, it’ll be missed.
And, if ‘bugs enter butts’, and something else is created, I’ll be around to ‘check it out’!
Enjoy you’re retirement.
PhantomGuitarist says:
December 13th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Negativland, if it is done, then it is done. I will miss you, for one.

Will OTE continue? I’d like to think so. Have you got Suicide Man on standby to tell your heartbroken fans to kill themselves if they can’t get over news of your split? (they did it for Take That).

It’s been a great run, and some really fine albums to boot. No-one is getting any younger. You should all move in with the Weatherman and Dick Goodbody to the Negativland retirement home. Your quiz and cleaning needs will be adequately filled.

PG.
PhantomGuitarist says:
December 13th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
On the first day of xmas my true love gave to me….

A free mashup

http://members.lycos.co.uk/phantomg/

And one every day until xmas. Enjoy folks.

Merry Xmas!!!!!!!
JB says:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:26 am
YAY MASHUPS!
PhantomGuitarist says:
December 15th, 2009 at 5:29 am
2nd mash up added. Stop me if I’m getting boring…
bobo the hobo says:
December 15th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
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bobothehobo says:
December 15th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
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JB says:
December 15th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Wow…okay i’m almost inclined to send this ninja food lol
Hoosier says:
December 15th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
Re:200
As a fan of Commercialism, I would like to thank Negativland on it’s decision to to sell out to the baser instincts of….i guess…me…
and finally release a quality version of “It’s all in your head FM”.

As to the question of whether you’ve done enough, I would say that it’s a matter of perspective. From my perspective, I would always ask for more because as an American, I have no shame.
vincent cannata says:
December 16th, 2009 at 9:09 am
My American mind goes two ways:

WAY ONE: BEST OF (or ‘history mix’)

and

WAY TWO: SOLO ALBUM (like I said before: Don, that “We’ll Be Right Back” really does KICK ASS!!)

One things for sure, first thing I’m gonna do, when I get some spare money, is get a couple more “Christianity Is Stupid” T-shirts!!
george bush says:
December 16th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
i blew up africa and iraq to stick a grenade up my own ass. that is all. ps im a retard
PhantomGuitarist says:
December 16th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
re 209: there is already a quality version of IAIYH FM. Think they mean another live album (vol 2.0 I believe).

I think a new OTE volume every year or so could keep output going well up to 2030 or something…
vincent cannata says:
December 16th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
re207: I prefer “Hobo Chang-ba”!
vincent cannata says:
December 18th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Didn’t expect a big ‘ol BEEFHEART OTE !

very nice.
vincent cannata says:
December 18th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
….. Laurie Anderson, too?!?!?!

What fun.
vincent cannata says:
December 19th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Oh, wow! Seeland’s putting out the NEW Evolution Control Committee CD?!?!

nicer, still!
PhantomGuitarist says:
December 20th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Looking forward to the new ECC album, loved Ritalin Ruckus.

In other news:
http://www.nme.com/news/rage-against-the-machine/48847

Anyone got opinions on this? I think it is a pointless exercise.
vincent cannata says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Hey, Phantom,
I’d love to hear “Ritalin Ruckus”, but for some reason, can’t get access to the Free Artist site…..
could you sent it?
Christian says:
December 20th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Re 199 and 216: I’m obviously missing something. Where are you getting your information?
PhantomGuitarist says:
December 21st, 2009 at 7:38 am
re 218: http://www.fast-files.com/getfile.aspx?file=34371

You should find Ritalin Ruckus at the link above. I did have a version that was all one mix and also covers etc but I think that must be on the old PC. Everyone else should have a listen to this too, it’s some great mashup stuff.

Way better than mine…
PhantomGuitarist says:
December 21st, 2009 at 7:53 am
Sorry guys, ignore the above, file host site is utter rubbish….

Will try mega upload and post link forthwith…
vincent cannata says:
December 21st, 2009 at 9:06 am
Cool… a perfect x-mas gift for moi. The heater in my house just died…. oddly, right at the same time Brittney Murphey did!

re219: I got the info straight from Mr. Mark G’s mouth. He played a bunch of new track on his radio show a couple of weeks ago.

http://evolution-control.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=5&Itemid=59
PhantomGuitarist says:
December 23rd, 2009 at 1:16 pm
is this thing on?
PhantomGuitarist says:
December 23rd, 2009 at 1:16 pm
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5J0548NG
PhantomGuitarist says:
December 23rd, 2009 at 1:18 pm
The above is the Ritalin Ruckus link as promised a couple of days ago. I tried posting on here a few times, but it wasn’t working, hence the 3 posts where one would do…..

Merry Xmas to all, and don’t forget to donate directly to the ECC site if you like what you hear…
vincent cannata says:
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Thanks, Mr. Phantom,

And here’s a fond ‘good riddance’ to the year 2009: quite possibly one the crappiest years I can remember!
MentalMan says:
December 25th, 2009 at 5:44 am
OTE’s Christmas show:
Hey Don, thanks for making this stupid celebration bearable !
PhantomGuitarist says:
December 25th, 2009 at 9:09 am
I will listen in on Boxing Day via KPFA archive. Busy with the kids today.
vincent cannata says:
December 25th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
That interview with John Waters about his secret love affair of The Chipmunks was hilarious!
PhantomGuitarist says:
December 30th, 2009 at 10:16 am
So, no new year show, a pity. Looking forward to IAYHFM vol 2.
The Weatherman says:
January 2nd, 2010 at 12:12 am
Skewed, stylized dirt and the Safe Muffins Gross Cart is always changing size. Sorry about that, just checking and I know I probably don’t what I’m talking about. Oh, and by the way, see what’s new over on DUMB.
vincent cannata says:
January 2nd, 2010 at 11:02 am
Will do!
vincent cannata says:
January 2nd, 2010 at 11:02 am
I smell a WEATHERMAN SOLO ALBUM!!!!!
Henry says:
January 5th, 2010 at 7:13 am
5 more hours of coming out of the closet!

DON WILL JUST HAVE TO EAT RAISINS!!!!!
vincent cannata says:
January 12th, 2010 at 9:28 am
Might I suggest, as one last hurrah :
Taking the “THERE IS NO GOD” mantra to the next level:
“THERE IS NO ART!”
Disc one: Visual Art
Disc two: Audio Art
I know Don believes that Art is Dead. With a nice ‘history mix’, he can prove it!

I perfect final nail in the Negativland ‘experiment’!
Don’t leave us with a whimper….. give us a BANG!!

Think about it,
your pal,
Vince.
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 12th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
That could be the one Vincent.
vincent cannata says:
January 13th, 2010 at 10:20 am
Thanks, Phantom.

In non-related news, I’ve found an agent to ‘shop around’ me book!
A fun little ‘romp’ about reincarnation & a ‘nut-case’ who tries to destroy Michelangelo’s Statue of David! My explanation/ theory of the death of art is in there, and uses Negativland as an example… once I feel the agent is ‘getting somewhere’. I’ll post it up here!

I know that this might not be the best time for a first time author to try and ‘hock his wares’, but, between the success of ‘teenage-vampires’ and a movie that’s on it’s way to becoming the highest grossing movie of all time, I get the feeling that ‘the rich’ are doing just fine! There’s got to be quite a few people NOT feeling the pinch, as most of us are!
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 13th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Good luck with that, Vince. I have been getting narratives and fairly strong song concepts in my dreams lately which is pretty weird since I rarely have lucid dreams at all. I’m going to commit them to paper and see how it goes.
Christian says:
January 13th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Negativland is dying so the rest of us may live, like Jesus!
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 14th, 2010 at 8:05 am
Only a guy named ‘Christian’ could make such a post!! hehe

I think it’s a fake death, like when Bowie killed Ziggy Stardust.
vincent cannata says:
January 14th, 2010 at 9:20 am
re:239:You call THIS living???
JB says:
January 15th, 2010 at 8:51 am
Everybody knows Bowie didn’t kill Ziggy Stardust, New Age Rock did! XD
Christian says:
January 15th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
Well, if Negativland really is giving up I might as well give you all a farewell gift while this forum and the Laurel Communications drop are both still extant. I found the following among the same group of reels I found the “On Top of the World” recording(s):

http://drop.io/LaurelCommunications/asset/please-don-t-be-mad-at-my-organ-mp3
Negativlandheim says:
January 16th, 2010 at 1:09 am
Negativland isn’t giving up. But you probably won’t see us playing live in Your Town anymore. Time has marched over us. Of course, if we really DID quit on our 30th anniversary, that would be ritualistically appropriate, as there are 30 members of Negativland, 30 albums, 30 tracks on the new album, 30 days in quite a few months of the year…………
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 16th, 2010 at 7:38 am
Not forgetting the 30 fans….;)
vincent cannata says:
January 16th, 2010 at 9:38 am
,,,,,,,,,, (spits coffee out of mouth)… Wha? New Album, you say?!?!?!
vincent cannata says:
January 16th, 2010 at 9:42 am
ummmmmm, wait a minute: since when did Negativland care about anything being ‘ritualistically appropriate’?
Greg Falkingham says:
January 16th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
I never understood where all the Negativland-is-over thing came from in the first place. The only thing I can figure is it came from the ‘in case you hadn’t noticed…’ remark on Over The Edge a month or so back, which struck me as less of a declaration of anything than a statement of the obvious. Negativland never stuck me as the sort of group who’s progress you would track by album releases.

They were ‘multimedia’ well before the term became hip (and then tired), and the fact that Over The Edge is still on the air, and the It’s All In Your Head FM live shows demonstrate that the various members were still willing to do stuff both individually and collectively.

30 years? This is also the 30 year anniversary of Severed Heads, which is being celebrated by what is likely to be their (or, HIS, rather) very last live performance this weekend. Viva Heads!
Christian says:
January 16th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
YOU MEAN I UPLOADED A 33.7 MEGABYTE MP3 FOR NOTHING!?!?
Negativland says:
January 18th, 2010 at 8:32 am
Negativlamd
Alright, Let’s be prefunctly clear.
Yes, Negativland is claiming to be breaking up into solo projects, if not breakibng off into simultaneous retirement. But that’s not the end of any world we’re aware of. This actually frees up several channels for unknown new and improved versions of suspected art that doesn’t care about the constraints and compromises of commercial success, regardless of so-called “quality.”

Will we be remembered, if at all, by our studio recordings? Or, will we be called to the mind of the rare and increasingly distracted fan as a symbol of psychological defense against media reality creation? who can say?
But it’s not over yet. And by that we mean it’s probably over, let’s be clear about that. Just watch the value increase. Hang on to anything you’ve got and wait for the right moment.
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 18th, 2010 at 9:26 am
Well that’s that sorted then. Negativland is not not over probably definitely and also maybe. Clear as a bell.

Thanks
JB says:
January 19th, 2010 at 8:43 am
Poor weatherman is getting old though, is it just me or is negativland widely unpopular with the female variety of humanistic masses of flesh? I know one or two women that like it, of course all the music that my fellow people listen to know sounds like crap and is the same thing over and over again, i guess stability is in.
vincent cannata says:
January 19th, 2010 at 10:24 am
Yes, now that THAT’S cleared up, might I ask a question (or two):
WHY DID SST GIVE YOU A CONTRACT IN THE FIRST PLACE?
Was “Escape From Noise” made BEFORE the fire?
Had they heard it before they signed you?

I’m not asking to be sarcastic. I just figure there’s a story behind what (for me) is the closest the ’80′s got to an album as great as “We’re Only IN IT For The Money”/”Lumpy Gravy” (with a little bit of “The Who Sell Out” for good measure!).

There was an earlier post that said you can’t see progression in Negativland’s body of work, and I have to disagree. There’s quite a nice progression from the first three albums to “Escape”, and I was interested in the creative process …..

If you’re not interested in dredging up the past, I’ll understand.
vincent cannata says:
January 19th, 2010 at 10:28 am
PS. My wife LOVES Negativland! She was with me at DC Space, back in ’89, when I told her, “You’re gonna have to share my love of THIS BAND!”, and bought everything they made. She was also by my side when they came to Vegas, a few years back!
Crosley Bendix says:
January 20th, 2010 at 5:38 am
Crosley Bendix here, and I just thought it to be necessary at this pointed position to make any attempt possible to keep The Negativland together as the culturally engaged group they’ve always been.
Often it’s the physical mechanics that underlie the operation of anything, including individual egos and the motivations that drive them.
Word on the in-house grapewine is that it’s property division that now prevents the total dissipation of one of the greatest sonic underground phenoms ever.
Who owns what? Now, on the other hand, a specific piece of equipment can be crucial to that first impression of someone’s first solo record after leaving an unknown group. But, since it’s been known since the Bible that everyone can’t have everything, maybe this property division dispute is a scolding sign from above that The Negativland is nothing if not together. Let’s hope so, anyway.
vincent cannata says:
January 20th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Thanks for the news, Crosley.
And, might I add a rousing, “THIS YEAR!!”
phalaris says:
January 20th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
I have set up this environment for further and deeper and realer timeishly transfering of ASCII dataism for interpretation and insinuedo of Negativ Landing and Universal Media InterWeb Net. It’s also a place that will, undoubtedly, “waste your time” while all the other opportunities for real social contact go under the fashion of “computer geek” for “Unabashed Awareness” of those who continue their stream of conscious meanderings in text form. No longer will you wonder “Where do these people hang out?” as this will be OUR final destination in social architecture beyond tactile embarrassments. Join us as you may.

Point your Internet Relay Chat client to:
irc.lycaeum.org and the channel #Negativ

Any other ACTUAL suggestions are open for discussion.
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 21st, 2010 at 5:22 am
I don’t have an IRC client, might get one now…
frnkndafunk says:
January 22nd, 2010 at 1:40 am
I read posts like 1-35 and gave up….got down here to the bottom…I have seen that some of these names have been posting for years on….that’s cool…..I have been listening to negativland for like 3 years now…and Yeah Crosley a couple postings ahead of me is right..any equipment I own is cool to use if somebody gives a shit…(very little audio equp. two numark usb turntables {nice kind} and a korg km202 and a yamaha 1996 mini disc 8-track (nicer than it sounds)..I have many many records that I have not heard I have a hard time trying to make these sort of “mashups” because I have not the time to listen to all of them (let alone read)…because I work…no wait….I got laid off today…fuck yeah…get at least 2 months of unemployment to work with….what would George Clinton do ? and not having met either “PhantomGuitarist” or “vincent cannata” would ladly watch a YouTube video of them making out ooh too skewed
Christian says:
January 22nd, 2010 at 9:24 am
In light of the Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission ruling, you guys are admitting defeat at just the right time. Everything is business now, or soon will be.

Little did the Libertarians know the new world order would be Capitalist Collectivism, and that they’d be instrumental in forging their own chains.
vincent cannata says:
January 22nd, 2010 at 11:44 am
In light of this news (that America doesn’t have to PRETEND it’s ‘for the people’ anymore), thanks for “Beatle-ing” it up on the OTE last night.
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 22nd, 2010 at 3:11 pm
re 259, keep searching on youtube mate, you never know what you will find on there…..

re 260, To quote Damon Albarn:

America’s shot, she’s gone and done the lot, oh dear….
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 23rd, 2010 at 6:53 am
At 263 posts, perhaps there should be a Last Last Chapter….
negativland says:
January 24th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
As a conceptual leap never before tried on the Internet, we have decided to make this chapter the last chapter, meaning it will never end. Haven’t you ever wondered how long a page can be? Well, we have, and oh boy, now we’re gonna find out!
(Calm down, just jerk your sidebar scroll button to the bottom to quickly get to the new posts.) Otherwise, time is totally and forever continuous here, as it should be everywhere.
Happy Hazard says:
January 24th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
Just an inside tip on reality – By selfishly eliminating the constantly technical chore of creating ever new chapters, the founding execs of Negativland may be underhandely using this formatting ploy to further psychologically acclimate the audience to the coming demise of The Negativland. These creeps are slightly more concerned with assuaging the social/cultural shock and despair which becomes more and more inevitable as the final Negativland curtain calls and falls, replacing any semblance of joint creative output. Well, maybe some dope will come in time…
JB says:
January 25th, 2010 at 8:36 am
Re 265: Or your just making it more complicated than it needs to be and that they are just busy with other stuff to worry about making us new chapters. Oh and speaking of failure i’ve got a fail story: I was driving to speedway to get coffee this morning and i pull into the turning lane to drive in, so i wait for the light to turn green and I try to turn and the car wouldn’t move! Needless to say I had failed on the spot.
vincent cannata says:
January 25th, 2010 at 9:15 am
“Copywrite Criminals” finally play here last night. Mark got a total of ONE MNUTE air-time. I was also surprised that there was no Trade Mark G! AND, it was only LESS THAT AN HOUR LONG!

Oh, well. I guess it was more of a “Sampling 101″, than something for me.
phalaris says:
January 27th, 2010 at 8:01 am
The CREEPS. The audience gives me the creeps. Why else does Negativland hardly ever email anyone back?? The National Cynical Network sure took its tole on Negativland, and for once.. THEY WERE RIGHT!
Let’s all Be a bit more dumb.
The simpler, more forgettable truths will always repeat themselves. Just when you thought you had witness everything…

JAM THE BOX
Dickie Diamond says:
January 28th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
Now that Negativland is stopping production Dr. Linear Syntax and I can regurgitate and spin their material into it’s TRUE meaning and final destiny indefinitely without merit.
Just as long as they are willing to pay the webmaster.
vincent cannata says:
January 29th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
Boy, I do love that “The Raiding Of The 20th Century” by DJ Food!
Greg Falkingham says:
January 29th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
Someone’s having a bit of fun at our expense, I think, and I appreciate that.

It’s a bit like the time Adult Swim went through their first batch of mass cancellations, and fans went all nuts on their message boards. As a way of promoting the upcoming new season of Aqua Teen Hunger Force, they slipped in these little messages in the commercials like ‘Final Season’ and so forth, just to add a bit more fuel to the fire.
Greg Falkingham says:
January 29th, 2010 at 10:32 pm
I like to eat cheeseburgers.
Greg Falkingham says:
January 30th, 2010 at 12:55 am
How did you know?
phalaris says:
January 30th, 2010 at 2:12 am
Lamont Cranston…..

Is DEAD.
Negativland says:
January 30th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
Of course, just cos we said we’re quitting doesn’t mean we actually are quitting. Much like just cos it says Negativland doesn’t mean we are Negativland.
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 30th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
It could actually be me….
Whoever says:
January 30th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
Which has always been one of the obvious flaws with this board, there’s a certain element of trust involved.
phalaris says:
January 30th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Well, who’s we? Who runs the weekly radio program that inspired media interfacing? Who worked and evolved out of bedroom recording to complain about how shitty the concept of personal creative rights are when involved in mass-produced exploit? Who else had their fun, rode the tour Monarch and flew into the retiring, diminished enthusiasm? Who else cleans obsessively and loves the more simpler things in life? Who else takes care of this website?
I don’t know anyone else who can achieve THOSE kind of goals….
Or was that sarcasm?
catfish rivers says:
January 30th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
Fans of Over the Edge might enjoy the internet radio show, The Rivers Edge, hosted by Catfish Rivers, the bottom feeder with flow, takes you down deep below, to scrounge the sounds of the undergrounds for emerging sounds he hopes you love, just as much as he does…turn on and tune in! Saturdays 11 PM EST http://spfradio.yage.net/
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 31st, 2010 at 4:57 pm
re 279: I will listen to the show sometime in the next few days. Notice Merzbow in the track listings, gotta love that Noize.
Gordon Gecko says:
February 1st, 2010 at 4:47 am
I’ve got access passes to “Dick” for $3.99.
JB says:
February 2nd, 2010 at 8:34 am
I always thought “Dick” was just a way to show us that negativland has complete control and does not want us looking at the weatherman naked.
vincent cannata says:
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:50 am
Pretty cool Beatle thingy by Mark G, Wobbly, & Phieus Narko:
http://evolution-control.com/index.php/experiments/mp3s/40-mp3s/10000-beatlerape-live-big-city-orchestra-30th-anniversary-show

It’s like “Beyond The Valley Of A Day In The Life” Part 2!
scope8 says:
February 5th, 2010 at 4:59 am
thanks for the sounds, noises and musics continuums. my tag is scope8 and i make sounds that most folk avoid.my noises made by me but only at the time i was making them. now on a cloud in a swedish server a couple of time zones away .not many samples noises like goats…. they roam. chewing uplobes. (giving milk?!) is it warner messing with the neg flow? time zones …. elusive. hope u like c**e as much as p**si something about a creative conmans?
Cheshire Cyanide says:
February 7th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
Hi fellow talking monkeys,

This is just a OOGA OOGA! from my end on the archives. Please keep them growing. I miss some of the one’s on now defunct tapes, like Your Brain and You, Spooked, the one with the drunk/psychotic clown. Bring them and I will pay. In the meantime I’ll continue to plot the demise of these four dimensions from my private lobe here in angled space. Please email me when new old OTE’s come along. My listed email is open, but if tied up, you can always contact my Associated from Yuggoth for more details…
Cheshire Cyanide says:
February 7th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
This just in. My Associates have developed a strange allergy. And though as talking monkey myself, I find the flavors of said fruit quite refreshing, not to mention its clockwork diuretic properties… my associates have put this fear of theirs in me. They have posted subliminally to me likely evidence of the fruits’ religion and collective organization– also disturbing hints of talking monkey/[redacted] fruit collaborations. My fungal associates have become wary of a mammal-flora axis to rival there long standing they drew up with our folks back in the James A. Garfield years. But I digress. suffice it to say that, whether or not these little red friends have insinuated themselves into the american harvest feast as a poultry condiment, they should not be trusted. A photograph [source redacted] of one of their emissaries can be viewed here. http://www.hamsterizer.com/Art/images/Items/MiGo01b.jpg
As can be immediately recognized, the mesmeric capacity of the red entities’ manifests itself most intensely toward those of impressionable minds, such as the two children shown here being groomed by the anthropomophized fruit to become sleeper operatives for the new mauve empire.

By all means, exercise caution around the fruit, however inertial they may seem.

I have already written too much. The fungal ones threaten me from the ever watchful angles. Their tendrils itch at the base of my skull.

Burn this communication now!
vincent cannata says:
February 8th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
A little Bono-bashing, 21st Century style, for you and yours:
Sir Bono: the Knight Who Fled From His Own Debate
By DAVE MARSH

http://www.counterpunch.org/marsh03192009.html
Greg Falkingham says:
February 8th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
‘Bono is no man of peace–he has yet to speak out against any war. Bono is part owner of Pandemic/Bioware, producers of Mercenaries 2, a video game which simulates an invasion of Venezuela.’

I enjoyed everything about that article, but this bit rang rather hollow. Are we still equating real violence with fictional violence? Really? Is everyone who sits down to play Modern Warfare giving tacit approval to war in the Middle East? I think the writer might be showing their age a bit (rather like when Ebert declared videogames-cannot-be-considered-art and kicked up that hornets nest).
vincent cannata says:
February 8th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
Yeah……, but still… that’s quite a small ‘beef’..
Having a picture of yourself, walking & talking to ‘W’ doesn’t nesessarily make you evil, either….

but, there you go.
PhantomGuitarist says:
February 9th, 2010 at 4:47 am
Yeah video games don’t affect me at all. I’ve been playing China Town Wars for weeks now and I’ve not stolen any more cars than usual….

A great article nonetheless.
vincent cannata says:
February 9th, 2010 at 8:55 am
It’s the “Helter Stupid” argument ….. you don’t learn how to play the guitar from “Rock Hero”, but there WILL be that small of kids that will put the game down, and want to learn how to play a REAL GUITAR!!!!!!

………NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!
Christian says:
February 9th, 2010 at 9:09 am
I’m not affected by advertising either, and don’t believe anyone else is.
vincent cannata says:
February 9th, 2010 at 10:05 am
I am…. it gets me angry. I know it’s not the response ‘they’ want, but it’s still a response.
PhantomGuitarist says:
February 9th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
re 291: That just brings to mind the Guitar Queero episode of South Park. And the easier, more addictive, futile Heroin Hero where you hit up whilst chasing a dragon that is always just that little bit out of reach. Genius.
vincent cannata says:
February 9th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Yes, that was funny….. but, I DO think about what have ‘influenced’ me, and….. I feel that music I LIKE has influenced me!
Therein was the joke of “Helter Stupid’, IMO; if all the good things about music made you act a certain way, you’ve proven the religious zealots right….

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Christian says:
February 9th, 2010 at 6:43 pm
Re 293: You’ve gotta practice your dissociation. When commercials come on the TV, I sort of cease to exist. I usually can’t remember even a single product they’ve just advertised as soon as the program comes on again. It’s barely even controllable at this point.

See? No effect at all!
Gordon Gecko says:
February 10th, 2010 at 12:04 am
Post some art, freaks.
phalaris says:
February 10th, 2010 at 10:14 am
I thought the joke of Helter Stupid was the ending. Over-saturation of overlapping media hot-heads and their struggle for attention before investigating the truth. Even when some of our most dangerous illusionary visionaries have “seen it all.” In the end, it was all a big act and hardly a pinch from the crowd ever understood how it was all one big funny joke.
Too much art. Too much dada. But how did we use it?
—
“We don’t have enough data(dada)”
“That’s one of my problems today. Books, files, photographs. Newsreels by the million mile.”
“But I should think he’d be happy to have all this material.”
“But how’d he use it…”
“And yet it goes on and on and on..”
“Now I know too much and find it hard to make out any patterns. Just clatter and babble and get the feel and move on before I get buried in videotape.”
“It’s a monsterous joke.”
“This record you’re listening to now is one.”
—
“.. and you say ‘You see what I’m sayin?’ and they say ‘Oh, oh, we see what you’re sayin.’ And they still don’t see what you’re sayin’.” [Manson had obvious delusion, but a reflection on how the details always get missed because of lack of ethical credentials.]
“This god damn fucking thing is an act.. It’s all a fucking act.”
[And we close with Edward R. Murrow's famous ice breaker upon the buildup of fear.]
PhantomGuitarist says:
February 10th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
re 297@ Feel free GG.
PhantomGuitarist says:
February 11th, 2010 at 4:21 am
It is indeed All In Your Head, but what IS your head?

All Headites are headily advised to track down a copy of ‘The Kingdom of Infinite Space’ by Raymond Tallis. A great book about your head, and what it is to have one.
Rich in Washington says:
February 11th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
I just now notice (and perhaps I’m a dullard), but do you suppose that that’s the voice of Thurl Ravenscroft on No Business track Keep Rollin’?
Sure sounds like him. Don’t know why I didn’t notice that before. He was the voice of Tony Tiger, lots of Disney productions (the Ghost Host of Haunted Mansion) and so much more.
Hoosier says:
February 12th, 2010 at 11:27 am
Have the OVE downloads requiring $3.00 donation been discontinued? How do I get a refund or at least get ahold of someone to find out what is going on?
vincent cannata says:
February 12th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
Nice to hear this is still an argument going on about the Negativland ‘retirement’!
phalaris says:
February 12th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
HAHAHA 303…. That’s too O’deour. The electronic re-evolution. Roland TB-Thisn’t, Is-HE?
henru says:
February 17th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
ARG THE TRIP RECEPTACLE HOST PAGE BY RAY IS GONE! GONE!
Greg Falkingham says:
February 21st, 2010 at 4:45 pm
???

It seems odd to accuse us on one hand of being gay, and on the other to presume we’re into women being exploited on the internet.

Is there poverty and injustice in the world? There sure is. Has there ever been a time in human history where this hasn’t been the case? Is it your contention that until these inequities in human existence are remedied, there is no place for art? I’m afraid this argument ignores both why people create art in the first place, or why people appreciate it. Man (and, indeed, women) cannot live by bread alone.

Is all pornography based on exploitation? Is all human labor of any kind based on exploitation? There is no excuse for human slavery, but in the case of pornography, the relationships are more complex. I don’t think you could say to someone like Mika Tan, or others in the profession who have shown themselves to be articulate and forthcoming about what they do, that they are slaves and not be laughed at.

Given how much more vocal Negativland and the fan community have been about their position on religion, I’m surprised there hasn’t been more trolling on that end of the scale. You see, stuff like the role of art in society, or the nature of pornography, is stuff we can have an intelligent argument about. When it comes to religion -bring on the bat shit crazy, lady!
Greg Falkingham says:
February 21st, 2010 at 4:51 pm
When I say ‘us’, I just mean in a general fan community sense, and not the band. When I re-read what I wrote, I realized I wasn’t exactly being clear. I’m just another nobody in the internet, and have nothing to do with Negativland, and nothing I’ve said is a reflection on what they say or believe. I’m only speaking for myself.
Christian says:
February 21st, 2010 at 10:00 pm
This is getting good.
Christian says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:13 pm
That’s unfortunate. This comment bored needs some shaking up.

A good read on this subject is the “About Men” section of Mike Lew’s “Victims No Longer.” It explains in detail how the Western traditional male gender role is the result of the physical and sexual abuse of boys. I’m sure there are volumes written about how the same is true of the Western traditional female gender role–since boys are beaten if we show weakness, as girls are beaten if you show strength, it’s only socially acceptable to discuss female victimization. Child abuse is, in fact, training (i.e. brainwashing) for economic and political oppression.
Christian says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:37 pm
Ah yes, Miller has long been one of my favorites. But I don’t want you to get me wrong–I’m 90% dehumanized myself, it’s just that I’m aware I’m an emotional cripple.
Christian says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:26 pm
I hope you understand that waking the fuck up can be a long, arduous, confusing and painful process, especially for those of us who have been lied to or brutalized from the start or for long periods. And that insulting such mentally ill people from a stance of moral self-righteousness makes one an agent of oppression and is only likely to cause defensive reactions. That’s how they (rich males, not all males) keep us at each others’ throats.
Christian says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:35 pm
And I don’t want you to misinterpret me–I’m not saying most males aren’t abusive. But if you’ve really read your Miller, you know that every single one of us who has been abused–male and female–inevitably develop abusive tendencies that must be struggled with to be overcome. A little boy does not have an upper hand over Margaret Thatcher.
phalaris says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:50 pm
I’m waiting for the general, world acceptance of abstaining from having a child. Especially to those cultures that say a large family is the only way to make it into their kingdom of ghod. There are too many people to fall into competing with eachother beyond what we can manage before turning calibalistic. Which we are.

I think people should masturbate as much as often and to know how to stop masturbating and using mental changes to help being more productive and less genital-focused.

There’s a lot of humor in mocking or just being in some sorty of exploitation of homosexuality, these days. It seems that many children are opening up to the open understanding of sexual preference when what is appropriate to display in public. But well.. these are children and are the ones who innocently change the rules, discretely.
The issues over porn are rather in a league of their own. I wonder how anyone can infiltrate that industry.. unless you work doing that sort of thing. If in case Human Trafficking is really that much of a porn-related thing. Some people use computers for extensions of what they do, like type. Or for gathering information. A lot more people are on the internet than have been, well exponentially back in time. Finding out how much the internet seems to lean on advertising and mainly advertising for porn sites seemed to dominate the net for too long. It seems like viral marketing is a large issue over how the many causes for dominance in society.
And whether people are using porn obsessively, then, well.. That’s yet another type of person who uses the same internet that many different types of people are using.

I think you’re doing something good for changing or promoting a great opportunity for you or a member of Negativland would like to use their ART to explore these topics. Having a strong voice on something rather densely topical… Once people reject their god and realize who controls everything and then go shoot the arrow with what’s really behind psychological, pataphysical as well as mass population control issues as an expense of their willingness to follow authrority.
There’s just too much here to discuss in one sitting.. I’ll probably have to clarify my writing later.
Peace
phalaris says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:21 pm
I totally agree about sex becoming less passionate and the “dating scene” (shudder) is more of a meat market and compliance to standards which have quickly crept into a mainstream stoner mentality of “Getting high and fucking” but totally missing the point about why you and your partner are a couple except that you do realize that you can’t live without each other. At least that’s how it feels. I’m frustrated because I hear this from a lot of women all the time and I’m always amazed at why I’m never a pick. Is the allure more of a passion for danger in order to gain access to a very selective and short period of time to get the message across? Or that rare chance to dig your hands in deep and change it all… But of course I always have to wonder why women don’t chose me? Is it because I wasn’t being aggressive enough? Or am I so mixed up that it feels like no one would even want to get near my psychoses… I’m just kind of questioning my thoughts at this point.
I will check out “price for pleasure” It has definitely has been part of many topics that I ponder based on its duality process and bifurcating results. But I’d like to find out more about who’s there to moderate the pumped up porn crowd who get attention with money instead of thoughts and words.
It’s a huge thing and I’d love to learn more about how to engage in changing long-due social fallacies.
phalaris says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:07 pm
haha! I love when this woman asks “Why on the face?” and he takes it so blatantly obscure and then he had to kinda huff out his decision which is some mantra of all those key-terms that everyone has to know in order to work like robots.

And that really made me wonder “Why on the face?” (That should be the title of a project) I’ve never understood how obfuscated bizarre kink has gone to include a tradition from Japan turn into something that takes up 4 hours on a VHS tape. For something that seems so stupid and amplify it, EXPONENTIALLY, is the whole joke. “Well, since I jerk it every day, I’m gonna check this out for the laughs and then wank off to something else.” or whatever. I see no novelty there. And the porn industry seems, instantly, like some super redundant short scenario-based reality than what everyone experiences living a real life.
But anyway.. That was just another look at “porn” …. Lots of other things to consider.
Greg Falkingham says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 10:04 pm
This is going back about a decade and a half ago, during Plunderpalooza (I had to look that one up, because I didn’t remember that particular detail). There was a screening of the film Sonic Outlaws, and Mark Hosler was the special guest.

I don’t remember if it was before or after the screening of the film, but he took a short Q&A session from those of us in the audience. You’ll recall this was around the time Dispepsi was released. Although I don’t think it had an official release at this time, it was also when Negativland had that cut up piece ‘OJ And His Personal Trainer Kill Ron And Nicole’ floating around.

Well, one of the audience members brought up the topic of this particular piece, and was clearly pretty agitated about it. It’s been too long to remember the specific words, but he pressed Mark with ‘isn’t this really disrespectful to the victims’, and ‘as an artist, don’t you feel you have a responsibility’, and that sort of thing. Mark, in his response, basically shrugged his shoulders and said, ‘I don’t really care about any of that stuff’. His position was basically, he is an artist and he’s going to do whatever he wants.

It was probably around this time, if not a little after, where he was involved with that debate series regarding art and copyright law, and he basically said the same thing. He recognizes that he on one extreme end of the scale, but in fact he really doesn’t care that much for any laws or regulations that limit what he can do as an artist (with specific reference to appropriating material from other artworks). I’m certain there are video and audio clips available to be found regarding these debates, which I’m fairly certain were held in Toronto as well.

Cut to a decade or so later, and here we are. Is the position that the internet, and flow of information and speech, needs to regulated going to be a position that Mark or Don or anyone else in the band likely to embrace?

Isn’t that a futile position to hold anyway? The Great Firewall of China isn’t much of a barrier for getting information in or out for those will even a small amount of savvy. The Iranian government, when they tried to shut down national internet access during the crackdown immediately after the stolen election, failed to keep the protesters from communicating with each other, and from those videos and images reaching the outside world.

Isn’t the free flow of information the best tool against fascism anyway? The master tools cannot be used to bring down the master’s house.
talent envy says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 11:53 pm
I liked it better when you guys were just nerding out on negative-land trivia.
PhantomGuitarist says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:15 am
I wasn’t aware that Negativland were single-handedly responsible for the world’s problems, or for solving them. Or that a few dudes (I’m presuming most of us on here are male) on an obscure comment page will have the will or the power to save the world.

I hope you stick around though, girl, this board really could do with some shaking up.
Greg Falkingham says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:22 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Yep, so, that happened, apparently.

It’s reassuring to know that, even on this little corner of the internet, you’ll find someone willing to compare someone else to a Nazi. That sort of rhetoric will certainly elevate the nature of the debate. I mean, I feel elevated. Don’t you?
Christian says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:44 pm
My problem is that if we’re going to pin the “Pornographer” label to Negativland because they’ve never explicitly criticized porn and support an unregulated Internet, why not also pin the “Racist” label to them as well? They are all white, after all, and to my knowledge have sampled racists about as often as they’ve sampled pornography. There’s more evidence that they’re Communists. I certainly support them moving into deeper waters, as they have with “It’s All In Your Head,” “The Bottom Line,” and the “Trail of Feathers” and “Illumination” Over the Edges, but this debate seems a bit too reliant on ad hominem and argumentum ad ignorantiam. Or is there some interview in which one of them actually degended porn that I’m unaware of?
Christian says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 1:29 pm
You know, back on Write Anything Here (Chapter Four) one of Negativland asked for thoughts regarding the “current” failure of Capitalism with aims towards making a piece on the subject. That was in March of last year. I posted a couple of links (I have a whole folder of bookmarked articles regarding the crossovers between psychology and politics) but some of them got blocked as being spam! I hope they do do something on the subject.
Christian says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 1:36 pm
You people will love this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEX3_V-wz1I
Christian says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 2:25 pm
It can also be hard to recognize what kind of boys club one lives in if one was beaten for being homosexual all throughout Catholic school.
vincent cannata says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 3:14 pm
The saddest part of the internet ‘joke’ is: those who DO indulge in (and peddle) ‘internet nastiness’ CAN BE TRACED!!! The sad fact that they continue says something about our ‘gov’mint’! They are ALLOWED to continue.
I’m sure -girl- knows all about “The Franklin Scandal”, right?
vincent cannata says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 3:16 pm
http://www.amazon.com/Franklin-Scandal-Story-Powerbrokers-Betrayal/dp/0977795357/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201251552&sr=8-1
PhantomGuitarist says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 3:20 pm
Now is the time, if there ever was a time, for this Last Chapter nonsense to be cancelled. This page is WAY too long now, and is in real danger of dragging the whole internet down with it’s weight (in fact maybe that’s the plan, no dudes whacking off when the web implodes).

Girl, reading your posts, I have just the one question: Do you happen to have read any David Icke? Some of the statements you make just seem awful familiar to me. There is a case to be made that The World Is Fucked, and of course we all have a responsibility in the whole Fuckedness. I think that most Negativland fans are probably more ‘switched on’ to this than most. Anyone who has listened to It’s All In Your Head has surely taken in some of the issues explored within there.

I don’t really see the problem with the ‘Hey it’s art and it may offend but it’s not my problem’ defence. I mean, obviously there is a line to be drawn somewhere, and for me torture, incest and paedophilia are all on the other side of that line. I don’t see any defence for such material. I also don’t really believe that Negativland’s Unregulated Internet includes such things. Surely it’s fairly reasonable to assume some sense of basic morality?

I haven’t taken that much time to formulate an argument here, I’m pretty much just throwing some thoughts out there, and I always leave room in my opinion for change should I be proven wrong or be shown something in a new light. That is the very definition of an open mind, which I try to have. It’s difficult when education, employment, news media and even quite a lot of the time leisure media, all actively try to produce closed minds. They’re so much more malleable after all. You only feel good about yourself when you buy this, or own that or fantasise about the other……

This board has been going very stale lately, it’s great to see some real debate on here.
Christian says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 5:11 pm
Are you suggesting that a hypothetical male who has been sexually abused as a child and is disturbed by the torture debate in the news should be forbidden from describing similar things in a work of fiction because someone might find it triggering or someone else might find it arousing?
Christian says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Someone apparently doesn’t like to have the molotov cocktails she throws examined.
Christian says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:00 pm
You’re right that I’ve never read Baldwin.
Greg Falkingham says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Anyone who know my history on this board knows that I suckle at the intellectual teat of Tom Ellard, not Mark Hosler, but that’s neither here nor there.

It has been roughly 30 years since the post-punk era, and the main head of Severed Heads was asked to give a presentation recently on post-punk, and basically what it all meant.

http://tomellard.com/circa79.html

http://tomellard.com/Whyhere.html

This are the slides and speaker notes from that event. I thought it was worth passing along, since it ties into both our earlier conversations about the evolution and end of music, as well as some of the material on the more recent All Art Radio episodes of Over The Edge.
PhantomGuitarist says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:17 pm
I am on a really slow connection here, but I fully intend to check out all the links posted during this discussion. The David Icke thing was more about the ‘something beautiful is coming’ stuff, but I think that it actually says more about where my head is at than where yours may be, actual girl.

People=Shit, as many many have suggested over time (Slipknot is the one in my head, though they surely can’t have been the first) and I am pretty disgusted by your treatment described above. Not much you can say to defend such ‘art’. I can’t work out whether or not you are in any way a Negativland fan, or if you just float around cyberspace looking for a message board to ‘spread the word’ on. Not that it really matters, I suppose.

Keep chucking those cocktails, and we might pick some up and lob them back, or we may just try to sample them and use them for our own art….
phalaris says:
February 24th, 2010 at 4:47 am
Except the wheat gluten.. Avoid grains, the cheap food for the masses.
PhantomGuitarist says:
February 24th, 2010 at 4:47 am
Re Disney princess films. My daughter also watches, and indeed enjoys those films, and has a thing about the colour pink. I try to offset this with more masculine type toys such as Dr Who figures etc, as I figure there is something not quite right about a girl wanting to be so ‘girly’.

But hey, she laughed so hard at Gimme The Mermaid, and had no problem with what was being done with Ariel on there, so it may all be OK. Perhaps my teachings of having her own mind and not blindly following the herd have sunk in all too well. She HATES High School Musical which puts her in the minority as far as her peers go.

I did used to worry about Disney’s influence on kids, but as long as parents teach other stuff then I reckon some mindless fairy tales can’t hurt all that much.
vincent cannata says:
February 25th, 2010 at 9:19 am
Might I also suggest to -girl- the ‘encyclopedic’ forum site, RIGOROUS INTUITION:
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/index.php

Tons of information!
Christian says:
February 25th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
Ah yes, feeling the herd needs to be thinned (perhaps including myself) is part of the way I’m dehumanized. I can relate.

And you’re right, that story of getting photographed sleeping nude and it being used as porn first and then art without permission does make me want to throw up in my mouth a little. Not nearly as bad, but once a group of teenagers in a car stopped and photographed me walking home from school and then drove off. Just par for the course–myself being such an obvious freak–I thought at the time.
Christian says:
February 25th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
Perps make me purp.
PhantomGuitarist says:
February 25th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
I blame Reagan and Thatcher. We are living with all the problems inherent in their way of running the world. Think of yourself, be selfish, make money, buy things, fuck everyone else. Get rich or buy trying.
PhantomGuitarist says:
February 26th, 2010 at 11:19 am
I’m not old enough to remember life pre-Thatcher. This is the only world I’ve known, but I can’t and won’t accept it as the only world there CAN EVER BE.
Christian says:
February 28th, 2010 at 9:42 am
“Liberalism, atheism, male sexual exclusivity linked to IQ”

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/26/liberals.atheists.sex.intelligence/index.html
Greg Falkingham says:
March 3rd, 2010 at 10:16 pm
http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2010/03/i_wonder_if_this_will_work.html

At the risk of kicking up yet another needless shitstorm, I thought this blog posting by Roger Ebert was worth passing along.

It seems the web is still a pretty tricky beast when it comes to trying to make a dime. I wish him luck with Club Ebert (I wonder how a Club Negativland would go over. Perhaps if it were tied to OTE downloads?).
vincent cannata says:
March 4th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
Well, I’ll be the first to say: Sweet edits of OTE are the way to go. As mush as I loved the “WRWD” series, that ‘BIG PICTURE’ was a little TOO BIG!
Christian says:
March 4th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
Re 388: Does finance capitalism make us all whores and pimps to various degrees? I wonder how much money Ebert makes, how much less it is than he wants, and if it’s less than he actually needs to live.
Greg Falkingham says:
March 4th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
I think you also have to add into that equation what his medical bills have been over the last handful of years, and what his medical costs are likely to be in the future.

And keep in mind, what he’s doing is entirely voluntary. He’s also entirely entitled to do with his written works whatever he wants. I don’t personally intend to join The Ebert Club, but I respect his right to make a living doing what he does (and it isn’t like the guy can make a living going on TV anymore, and print media isn’t especially healthy these days either). At the same time, it’s like he says himself, some of the best writing on the web is done for free.

I don’t know that I have a definitive answer for any of this myself. A lot people are overpaid for what they do, and a whole lot more people are underpaid for their labor. Believe me, I’m a union guy, so I know the score on that level. When it comes to art, whether it’s writing or painting or music, I don’t know for sure what the answers are there. Give people the choice, and they will support artists they like, even if they can get the material for free. Again, what the numbers break down to on that, I don’t have any real insight.
scope8 says:
March 4th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
@287 http://twitter.com/killing_bono_ lol
Xupa says:
March 4th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
I’d like to know more specifics on the meeting which was sampled in “You Don’t Even Live Here.”

I played it for a relative, and he thinks he might have been there. Was this in protest of the Shoreham plant on Long Island, NY?
vincent cannata says:
March 5th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Considering I hear the woman mention PG&E, it must be from California!
vincent cannata says:
March 5th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
Unless THAT’S WHAT ‘THEY’ WANT YOU TO DO!

I found it a little too obvious that all the major networks, (and a few of the minor ones) were quick to let all of us know what TWITTER was…… WHY was it so impressive to ‘them’? Did ‘they’ all own of piece of TWITTER? Did ‘they’ have to announce it as if you would be foolish NOT to get in on the ground floor of this new, exciting internet ‘thing-y’?
‘Their’ stories on it let a weird taste in my mouth. Thus, I only talk to people on this, The Resident little TV site, RI, No Homers, and Steve Hoffman forum!
vincent cannata says:
March 5th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
That is, THE RESIDENTS little tv site:
http://www.residents.com/
Christian says:
March 5th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
“His study paints a blunt picture of how cynicism, far from inoculating citizens to resist political persuasion, merely delays the impact.”

http://www.miller-mccune.com/media/does-biased-news-have-a-time-bomb-effect-4940/
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 5th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
I have quite a bit of trouble visualising a giant vagina helmet, I have to say.
grill says:
March 5th, 2010 at 10:19 pm
molotov: i suspect dobson to be gay
phalaris says:
March 6th, 2010 at 6:33 am
http://www.wwwcomcom.com/gallery/paintings/35.jpg
Christian says:
March 6th, 2010 at 8:43 am
Bundy was also a Republican.

http://www.armchairsubversive.org/
grill says:
March 6th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
p- yes, and c-yes.
BRANX (a.k.a. Branco) says:
March 7th, 2010 at 12:05 am
Bells and bells and bells and bells and…
Wild Gueixa.
Gill says:
March 7th, 2010 at 2:46 am
molotov: You cannot be trusted to judge for yourself what media you consume.

You cannot be trusted to judge for yourself what media you create.

You cannot be trusted with the technology to distribute what you create, and what you consume.

Submit.

Buy buy.
vincent cannata says:
March 7th, 2010 at 9:36 am
Wait a minute, there’s a -girl-, grill, AND a gill here?
Three different people?
Christian says:
March 7th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
Well, if you don’t trust us there’s not really anything we can say, is there? Impostors notwithstanding, you’ve been encouraged several times to keep posting, and yet you write as if no dominoes have fallen. If our comments meant nothing to you, then the sea has apparently already engulfed us, including you, and the light has already gone out.
L.L. says:
March 7th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
Off-Topic Alert.
Please forgive me and read re why I believe posting this info and request here are apropos. thx.
CHEVRON-TEXACO wants to bulldoze & build houses on the last wild area in N. Orange County/S. Los Angeles County region. CHEVRON-TEXACO has to get the land (which they own) rezoned by the city council of Fullerton (Calif) for it to happen.
The vote on this matter is March 10, 2010 at Fullerton (California) City Council meeting. The vast majority of residents (not just of Fullerton, but of all O.C. and Calif) don’t understand the ramifications of what is sliding past them, and what they’ll irreversibly lose. This of course favors CHEVRON-TEXACO’s plans. Obviously, most Negativlanders are extremely sophisticated regarding publicity/digital/viral media/multi-nationals, etc.- while I am not.
Can any of you who read this (see http://angeles.sierraclub.org/ocosc/coyote_hills.htm) create enough publicity to stop CHEVRON-TEXACO from bulldozing West Coyote Hills and have it designated a protected wild area (not a grassy park)?
The vote takes place in Fullerton (March 10th), but its outcome affects many ecosystems in Orange County, Los Angeles, and beyond. The West Coyote Hills territory is an important flyway for many birds and is a connecting habitat for other animals, some endangered.
Anybody out there know how to contact Ken Burns?!?!? It would be ideal to have him show up and make a presentation at the Fullerton City Council meeting– and maybe have Joni Mitchell there (via Skype?) singing “Paradise” and Woody Guthrie singing “This Land is Your Land (I mean THIS! THIS SPECIFIC LAND! RIGHT HERE!” ), etc. etc. A mobile mixologist showing up in the Fullerton City Hall meeting blasting out a digital mix would be great also, but I don’t think the people on the city council would quite get it.
Apologies again for posting off-topic here, but I assume that your politics are probably anti-Chevron and that there is a high probability that many who read this here are interested in this type of issue – and are sophisticated enough (digitally, politically, etc.) to make something happen to protect the West Coyote Hills from CHEVRON-TEXACO’s bulldozers. Thanks for any help.
P.S. Sites on web are already stating things like “The air has gone out of the movement to save Coyote Hills.” I am hoping a surprise avalanche of timely publicity will create a last minute resounding victory over CHEVRON-TEXACO.
Christian says:
March 7th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
Don’t look at me. I’m not a transvestite.
Christian says:
March 7th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
I have great timing, don’t I?

Anyways, I know some environmentalist people in the Orange County area, L.L., and will spread the word.
L.L. says:
March 7th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
Off Topic Alert. Please forgive me and read why posting this info/request here is apropos. Thanks in advance.
CHEVRON-TEXACO wants to bulldoze the last wild area in the N. Orange County-Los Angeles County region. CHEVRON-TEXACO has to get the land re-zoned by the Fullerton, California city council if the bulldozing/ housing development is to take place.
The vote on this matter is Thursday, March 18, 2010 at 6:00 p.m. (an hour early?) at the Fullerton city council meeting. There is also a presentation by Chevron and the city at the Wednesday, March 10th city council meeting at 7:00 p.m. Note that the meeting where they take the vote starts at 6:00 p.m. and the other, where Chevron gives their presentation, starts at 7:00 p.m. Please be sure to show up at 6:00 p.m. on March 18th – it may be that they are counting on supporters showing up at 7 p.m. –after the vote is already over! Please keep alert regarding possible tricky rescheduling of meeting times. so you don’t show up after the vote is over.

The vast majority of residents, not just of Fullerton, but of O.C. and of all California, don’t understand the ramifications of what CHEVRON-TEXACO is attempting to slide past them, through Fullerton city council, and what the people of California could irreversibly lose. This ignorance favors CHEVRON-TEXACO’s plans.
Obviously, most Negativlanders are extremely sophisticated re viral-digital publicity and the activities of multi-national corps, etc.- while I am not.
Can any of you help create an avalanche of timely publicity to stop CHEVRON-TEXACO’s bulldozing and irreversibly destroying the Coyote Hills ancient wild land? (see http://angeles.sierraclub.org/ocosc/coyote_hills.htmhelp)
While the territory in question is located in Fullerton, it affects ecosystems throughout all of Orange County, Los Angeles, and beyond. It is an important flyway and habitat corridor for many animals, plants, and birds -some of which are rare and/or endangered species.
Do any of you know how to contact Ken Burns?!?!? It would be ideal to have him make a presentation at the Fullerton City Council meeting, preferably with advance publicity.
Anyone who can do so is urged to attend the two meetings:
Wednesday, March 10th at 7:00 p.m.
and especially the meeting
Thursday, March 18th at 6:00 p.m. when the actual vote takes place.

Apologies again for posting off-topic. I assume, correctly I hope, that most of you at this site want to be informed about issues like this – and want to help use your digital media skills to protect wild areas such as the West Coyote Hills from the likes of CHEVRON-TEXACO.
L.L. says:
March 7th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
sorry for double posting – my lack of web skills, again. thanks for your encouragement Christian @ post #426. wow–so fast! the web is truly amazing – L.L.
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 7th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
Yeah boy shake that ass, oops I mean girl, GIRL GIRL GIRL…..

How interesting has this little corner of the internet gotten all of a sudden?

PS – While my skin may be what is described in the mainstream as “WHITE”, I would say the weird looking organ that dangles between my legs – and is one of the 2 most important things belonging to the human race due to it’s necessity in providing more of us humans – happens to look pretty damn black… Certainly not white. Not sure where that leaves me.

Plus it’s actually RICH White Cocks in the main, which discounts myself in that particular club. My porn was always just lying about in the woods (who left it there and WHY???). Of course the den smelled like piss, the wood was stolen from the pissy alleyways…

I’m sorry to post about my dick on here, but I wasn’t the one to bring it up.

When you do your massive pussy helmet, girl, please send pictures so I don’t have to visualise. It’s hurting my tiny mind.
phalaris says:
March 7th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
The wave is on.
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 8th, 2010 at 6:56 am
“they throw insults like girls. they are total fags.”

I hope that was intentional. I had a good chuckle about that one.

If we don’t need humans anymore, then could you enlighten us to the point of getting all that worked up about whether 50% of a species that is unnecessary is worth getting all that concerned about? I have often considered that this planet would have got on better without us, but WE ARE HERE. If you accept that WE ARE HERE then you must accept the need for sexual organs and reproduction of our species. If you want the human race to extinct themselves, don’t expect ME to get all that worked up about the plight of your fellow sisters.
vincent cannata says:
March 8th, 2010 at 9:23 am
I know the old saying goes, “The more I learn, the less I know.”
but, now, I’m afraid, I’m feeling that the more I learn, the less I want to involve myself with the human race!
Christian says:
March 8th, 2010 at 10:46 am
“If you accept that WE ARE HERE then you must accept the need for sexual organs and reproduction of our species.”

No I don’t. That humans exist now does not mean that humans must continue to exist.
vincent cannata says:
March 8th, 2010 at 11:42 am
re: the CHEVRON-TEXACO deal:
I dare someone to make a deal:
They can totally take over the hills IF:
1) they cover the entire debt of California
AND
2) Give every state resident $150,000.00 so, if they choose, they can MOVE OUT!
They’ve got deep pockets. Chump change to those bastards.
Christian says:
March 8th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
The thing I find stupidest about the Coyote Hills boondoggle is the idea that Orange County needs 760 “units” while homes are being foreclosed all over the country. The problem is not a lack of high priced housing. Of course Chevron-Texaco and Pacific Coast Homes have a different problem, which can be solved by taking taxpayer money.

Maybe some rich executives need fourth or fifth homes, but that’s no reason to destroy so much native coastal sage ecosystem. One can only hope coyotes will eat the executives’ offspring.
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 8th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
re 434: That sounds like something Suicide Man might say. If you are happy to exist YOURSELF, then you must concede that you have no right to stop others existing also.

I really don’t care, I just like stirring up the pot a bit to be perfectly honest.
dum dum deedle deedle says:
March 8th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Christian says:
March 8th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
I’m not happy to exist myself, but I can’t commit suicide because it’s a sin and God will send me to Hell.
dum dum deedle deeld says:
March 8th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
http://www.archive.org/details/DuckandC1951
Christian says:
March 8th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm07/chapter5.htm#age
Christian says:
March 8th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
While most cases of reported sexual abuse are perpetrated by men (although women are catching up: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sharp-rise-reported-in-child-abuse-by-women-1817509.html), most reported cases of neglect are by women. The thing is, men who abandon their families aren’t counted, so the percentages are probably very, very skewed. Both sexes are apparently just as likely to commit physical abuse and emotional abuse.
Christian says:
March 8th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
My opinion is that the family is where all oppression begins, so women are just as guilty as men. One can certainly argue, of course, that the rich fuckers who run the world cause parents to abuse their children by separating fathers (and, increasingly, mothers) and isolating them in abusive workplaces, but I’d counter that the rich fuckers who rule the world do what they do because their parents didn’t love them. The argument has be made, however, that they’re just psychopaths/sociopaths: http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/beware-the-psychopath-my-son/
Greg Falkingham says:
March 8th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
Nanking didn’t happen because a bunch of Japanese soldiers were wanking to porn.
vincent cannata says:
March 9th, 2010 at 8:34 am
http://karenfinley.com/
Fredy Marroquin-Rodriguez says:
March 9th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
What is the world coming to?

Fredy Marroquin-Rodriguez
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 10th, 2010 at 4:31 am
Failure IS imminent, after all.

Bye then, girl, you will be missed, but not for that long. I’ve already changed the channel to watch another programme.
phalaris says:
March 10th, 2010 at 6:03 am
Mike Malloy is amazing. Also enjoy listening to and reading Thom Hartmann.
Christian says:
March 10th, 2010 at 7:53 pm
Jesus Motherfucking Christ.
L.L. says:
March 11th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
Anybody out there have any practical ideas to inform people and get media coverage about the Chevron-Texaco v Coyote Hills thing? Strippers at the city council meeting? A sing-in at city hall featuring “This Land is Your Land,” “Ticky-Tacky,” “Big Yellow Taxi,” and the Beverly Hillbillies t.v.show theme song – with lyric rewrites . . . ??? Help. ! !!! thx
vincent cannata says:
March 12th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
Those guys were pretty funny on last night’s OTE. Wish them good luck with the digitizing of the archives!
vincent cannata says:
March 12th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
bannana
Christian says:
March 12th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
“Men who engaged in domestic violence consistently overestimated how common such behavior is, and the more they overestimated it the more they engaged in abusing their partner in the previous 90 days, according to new research conducted at the University of Washington.”

http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/562128/
loser says:
March 12th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/teacher-writes-loser-on-child-s-assignments-18593231
nobody says:
March 12th, 2010 at 7:14 pm
http://www.laweekly.com/2010-02-26/news/rodney-alcala-s-final-revenge/
nobody says:
March 12th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chloe-angyal/sex-and-power-from-north_b_495296.html
nobody says:
March 12th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/11/father-rape-charges-new-j_n_494530.html
inhumananddegrading says:
March 12th, 2010 at 7:21 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-80619/Serial-killers-legal-aid-porn-bid.html
Greg Falkingham says:
March 12th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
Lenny Bruce died for our sins.

http://www.jewish-theatre.com/VISITOR/article_display.aspx?articleID=2457

‘Bruce makes a very difficult martyr — he was too irascible, too self-destructive, too perverse, too unclassifiable. But he is a martyr nonetheless — a heartbreakingly vulnerable renegade who was broken by the final tail-lash of the dying dragon of American Puritanism.

Has that dragon really died? It’s true that no comedian or author or singer will probably ever again be led away in handcuffs for using what some beat cop decides are offensive words — certainly not for saying that Eleanor Roosevelt “had the nicest tits of any lady in office” or doing a shtick about a wife who returns home to find her husband screwing a chicken. But the outdated obscenity laws and murky Supreme Court rulings used to arrest and convict Bruce remain, a testament to our nation’s complete inability to deal with the issue of obscenity. (Indeed, as Ronald Collins and David Skover point out in their excellent book, “The Trials of Lenny Bruce,” his final New York conviction has never been formally overturned: In the eyes of the law, disgracefully, Lenny Bruce remains a criminal.)

Most tellingly, the highest powers in the land are still eminently capable of using those laws to crack down on material they deem immoral — even if millions of Americans spend billions of dollars a year consuming that material. The issue today is not dirty words or offensive comedic routines, but pornography — America’s favorite not-so-secret vice and the bête noire of cultural conservatives and religious fundamentalists. (At least the official bête noire: According to many in a position to know, the most Bible-thumping types tend to be the most avid watchers of porn.) Pornography may not be as inspiring a subject to defend as a Lenny Bruce spritz, but free speech is free speech. It’s also hard to avoid the feeling that Attorney General John Ashcroft and his ilk, who are constantly calling for a return to the good old days of clear moral guidelines and harsh sanctions, would have been among Bruce’s most zealous persecutors.’
vincent cannata says:
March 12th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
On the subject of a certain religion:
PART ONE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD9f0XU_S78

PART TWO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frwlyx2u8JE&feature=related

PART THREE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovFFZ4iEFCo&feature=related
antidummycrusader says:
March 12th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
lenny bruce was not a pornographer but he did like the word cocksucker.

cocksucker cocksucker cocksucker cocksucker cocksucker cocksucker cocksucker cocksucker cocksucker cocksucker cocksucker cocksucker cocksucker cocksucker cocksucker

thats still not the same thing as pornography
antidummycrusader says:
March 12th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
the word pornography: Etymology

The word derives from the Greek ??????????? (pornographia), which derives from the Greek words ????? (porn?, “prostitute” and pornea, “prostitution”), and ????? (graph?, “I write or record,” derived meaning “illustration,” cf. “graph”), and the suffix -?? (-ia, meaning “state of,” “property of,” or “place of”), thus meaning “a written description or illustration of prostitutes or prostitution.”

for that matter, lenny bruce was so strung out, who’s to say he wasn’t a whore for his fix?
antidummycrusader says:
March 12th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
the word whore: Etymology

The English word whore derives from the Old English word h?ra, from the Indo-European root k? meaning “desire”.
antidummycrusader says:
March 12th, 2010 at 10:46 pm
The most common destinations for victims of human trafficking are Thailand, Japan, Israel, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, Italy, Turkey and the US, according to a report by the UNODC (UN Office on Drugs and Crime).

The major sources of trafficked persons include Thailand, China, Nigeria, Albania, Bulgaria, Belarus, Moldova and Ukraine.

Use of children

Regarding the prostitution of children the laws on prostitution as well as those on sex with a child apply. If prostitution in general is legal there is usually a minimum age requirement for legal prostitution that is higher than the general age of consent. Although some countries do not single out patronage of child prostitution as a separate crime, the same act is punishable as sex with an underage person.

In India, the federal police say that around 1.2 million children are believed to be involved in prostitution. A CBI statement said that studies and surveys sponsored by the ministry of women and child development estimated that about 40% of all India’s prostitutes are children.

Thailand’s Health System Research Institute reported that children in prostitution make up 40% of prostitutes in Thailand

Some adults travel to other countries to have access to sex with children, which is unavailable in their home country. Cambodia has become a notorious destination for sex with children.

Thailand is also a destination for child sex tourism. Several western countries have recently enacted laws with extraterritorial reach, punishing citizens who engage in sex with minors in other countries. As the crime usually goes undiscovered, these laws are rarely enforced.

In illegal immigration
A difficulty facing migrant prostitutes in many developed countries is the illegal residence status of some of these women. They face potential deportation, and so do not have recourse to the law. Hence there are brothels that may not adhere to the usual legal standards intended to safeguard public health and the safety of the workers.

Relation to drugs
Some drug users, most commonly heroin or crack cocaine users, obtain their drugs primarily through prostitution. Some receive money for the sex, which is then used to pay for drugs. Others, sometimes called strawberries[36], receive the drug directly in trade for sex. These drug-addicted prostitutes most commonly take part in street prostitution, as they typically lack the resources to work independently from a private residence or be escort prostitutes, and many brothels do not want to employ visible drug users.

Street drug dealing and prostitution are often closely related, with many street-level drug dealers also acting as pimps and vice versa.

In affluent countries such as the United States and Western Europe the correlation between street prostitution and illegal drug use is high. In contrast, many prostitutes in the developing world are primarily motivated by the need for subsistence earnings for themselves or dependents. However, drugs and prostitution are increasingly becoming connected in urban areas in the developing world, for example in urban areas in Karachi and Thailand.

Not all prostitutes who use recreational drugs are driven to prostitution by their habit, but the two subcultures are still closely linked.

Violence against prostitutes

Female prostitutes are at risk of violent crime, as well as possibly at higher risk of occupational mortality than any other group of women ever studied.

For example, the homicide rate for female prostitutes was estimated to be 204 per 100,000 (Potterat et al., 2004), which is considerably higher than that for the next riskiest occupations in the United States during a similar period (4 per 100,000 for female liquor store workers and 29 per 100,000 for male taxicab drivers) (Castillo et al., 1994). However, there are substantial differences in rates of victimization between street prostitutes and indoor prostitutes who work as escorts, call girls, or in brothels and massage parlors (Weitzer 2000, 2005). While women who work on the streets are the most likely to be victimized, attacks and even murders of prostitutes have also occurred in legal and licensed brothels (such as in the German brothel Pascha).
antidummycrusader says:
March 12th, 2010 at 10:49 pm
Human trafficking and sexual slavery

Establishments engaged in sexual slavery are the highest priority targets of law enforcement actions against prostitution. It has been suggested that human trafficking is the fastest growing form of contemporary slavery and is the third largest and fastest growing criminal industry in the world.

“Annually, according to U.S. Government-sponsored research completed in 2006, approximately 800,000 people are trafficked across national borders, which does not include millions trafficked within their own countries. Approximately 80 percent of transnational victims are women and girls and up to 50 percent are minors,” reports the US Department of State in a 2008 study.Due to the illegal and underground nature of sex trafficking, the exact extent of women and children forced into prostitution is unknown.

Children are sold into the global sex trade every year. Often they are kidnapped or orphaned, and sometimes they are sold by their own families. According to the International Labour Organization, the problem is especially alarming in Thailand, the Philippines, Sri Lanka, Vietnam, Cambodia, Nepal and India.
Poverty, social exclusion and war are at the heart of human trafficking. Some women are hoodwinked into believing promises of a better life, sometimes by people who are known and trusted to them. Traffickers may own legitimate travel agencies, modeling agencies and employment offices in order to gain women’s trust. Others are simply kidnapped. Once overseas it is common for their passport to be confiscated by the trafficker and to be warned of the consequences should they attempt to escape, including beatings, rape, threats of violence against their family and death threats. It is common, particularly in Eastern Europe, that should they manage to return to their families they will only be trafficked once again.

Globally, forced labour generates $31bn, half of it in the industrialised world, a tenth in transition countries, the International Labour Organization says in a report on forced labour (“A global alliance against forced labour”, ILO, 11 May 2005). Trafficking in people has been facilitated by porous borders and advanced communication technologies, it has become increasingly transnational in scope and highly lucrative within its barbarity.
antidummycrusader says:
March 12th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
did lenny bruce have any idea this was going to be cumming?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Longhurst
Christian says:
March 12th, 2010 at 11:47 pm
“With sexual assault the more a man thought it was prevalent the more likely he was to engage in such behavior. If we can correct misperceptions about the prevalence of intimate partner violence, we have a chance to change men’s behavior. If you give them factual information it is harder for them to justify their behavior,” Neighbors said

Walker added: “It is unclear if we can change perpetrators’ behavior by correcting their misperceptions about intimate partner violence. However, work in alcohol use suggests that changing misperceptions about drinking changes drinking behavior among college students. Consistent with social norms theory, people are motivated to be ‘average’ in many ways, particularly if the behavior in question could be considered risky or taboo.”
Christian says:
March 13th, 2010 at 12:00 am
“It is quite natural for children to awaken sexual desire in the adult, because they tend to be beautiful, cuddly, affectionate, and because they admire the adult so much, probably more than anyone else does.” – Alice Miller (http://www.iraresoul.com/alicemiller.html)

I disagree.
vincent cannata says:
March 13th, 2010 at 9:21 am
On a lighter note, a new PEOPLE LIKE US/ WOBBLY album, coming soon! YAY!

http://www.peoplelikeus.org/2010/coming_soon_a_new_album_from_people_like_us_wobbly.html
vincent cannata says:
March 13th, 2010 at 9:35 am
On the serious note, on the subject that’s been happening here:

http://solitarywatch.wordpress.com/2010 … cans-vote-
to-let-schoolchildren-be-held-down-tied-up-and-put-in-solitary-confinement/

Most House Republicans Vote to Let Schoolchildren Be Held Down, Tied Up, and Put in Solitary Confinement
MARCH 5, 2010

by James Ridgeway and Jean Casella

On Wednesday afternoon, the United States House of Representatives passed H.R. 4247, the Preventing Harmful Restraint and Seclusion in Schools Act (now being called the Keeping All Students Safe Act), by a vote of 262-153. In the final vote count, 238 Democrats and just 24 Republicans voted for the bill, while 8 Democrats and 145 Republicans voted against it. (Check out the full roll call here.)
malibubarbie says:
March 13th, 2010 at 11:41 am
from comments: I hate to say this but, women shouldn’t run alone. It has become way to dangerous out there.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/13/malibu-jogger-jumps-off-c_n_497719.html
Christian says:
March 13th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Re 489: I know this won’t be popular here, considering Negativland’s stance against guns, but women should arm themselves. And if a man tries to rape them, shoot him in the crotch.

Re 488: And this won’t be popular just about anywhere… Children should arm themselves.
malibubarbie says:
March 13th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
i think its much more socially acceptable with males for women to leap from cliffs after allowing the assaulter to argue that his long standing love affair with internet porn drove his inability to think for himself any longer. and that it was in fact a first amendment right under the monkey see monkey do clause.

however, i agree with you that arming children seems like the best solution to our long standing population issues and also the final solution to the ultimate existential question of what to do about people in a general sense.
grandpahardon says:
March 13th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
I trust the US government to always do the right thing by the citizens of the world and that we citizens should never question any legistlation or any kind of industry deregulation.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/7415082/French-bread-spiked-with-LSD-in-CIA-experiment.html
grandpahardon says:
March 13th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
and i believe fully in my church, for wherelese would i get my access to the porn that drives my monkey see lust for 5 year old boy ass rape. i only wish i could have been born in italy and become a priest, where my porn coveted boy ass is purveyed on a bed of lettuce with a sip of the blood of the christ in the vatican city.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/13/catholic-church-child-abu_n_497942.html
grandpahardon says:
March 13th, 2010 at 5:09 pm
i wonder if he was downloading it free at work?

http://www.cathnewsusa.com/article.aspx?aeid=20024
Christian says:
March 13th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
I don’t think women with guns would have to give as much of a fuck (pun intended) what males find socially acceptable.

Imagine if all women were capable of deadly force. The problematic portion of the male population would either have to control themselves or they wouldn’t be around long enough to cause so much trouble.
antidummycrusader says:
March 13th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
you sir, are hired.
grandpahardon says:
March 13th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition

damn woman on the scrotus didn’t agree that my right to barely legal teen porn was my godgiven right, goddammit. thank god for clarence thomas or i wouldnt be getting my spurt on right NOW! ugh un oh. this ones getting a little old looking, must be almost 17.

any of you know how am i going to get the damn motivation to rape and dismember a teen if i can’t get my damn barely legal!?!

huh? one of you kids pass the viagra, my hardons starting to fade….god damn census workers better not come out here looking for teens.,,,
echelon says:
March 14th, 2010 at 11:41 am
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2010-03/12/c_13208219.htm

AMERICA NUMBER ONE IN ONLINE “PRIVACY” and “FREEDOM”. ALSO NUMBER ONE RAPE COUNTRY.

we’re number one! we’re number one!
echelon says:
March 14th, 2010 at 11:51 am
The United States is pushing its hegemony under the pretence of “Internet freedom.” The United States monopolizes the strategic resources of the global Internet, and has been retaining a tight grip over the Internet ever since its first appearance. There are currently 13 root servers of Internet worldwide, and the United States is the place where the only main root server and nine out of the rest 12 root servers are located. All the root servers are managed by the ICANN (Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers), which is, by the authority of the U.S. government, responsible for the management of the global root server system, the domain name system and the Internet Protocol address. The United States has declined all the requests from other countries as well as international organizations including the United Nations to break the U.S. monopoly over the root servers and to decentralize its management power over the Internet. The United States has been intervening in other countries’ domestic affairs in various ways taking advantage of its control over Internet resources. The United States has a special troop of hackers, which is made up of hacker proficients recruited from all over the world. When post-election unrest broke out in Iran in the summer of 2009, the defeated reformist camp and its advocators used Internet tools such as Twitter to spread their messages. The U.S. State Department asked the operator of Twitter to delay its scheduled maintenance to assist with the opposition in creating a favorable momentum of public opinion. In May 2009, one web company, prompted by the U.S. authorities, blocked its Messenger instant messaging service in five countries including Cuba.
Christian says:
March 14th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
Re 497: We will send some teens right over, gramps, however they will be armed. From there you will be taken to an in-patient facility to discuss your motivations with a therapist. In the meantime read this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-ducat/emasculation-in-republica_b_106823.html

Re 498: “Freedom” is a myth: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/02/science/02free.html

In other news, women are now using porn for their own purposes: http://www.gastongazette.com/news/allegedly-41065-rocha-boy.html Yay equality!
echelon says:
March 14th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
so, this leads one to consider the idea that not only does that one root server have the ability to parse through any/all of our communications on the interwebs, it knows what kind of porn you like, what kind of porn and entertainment you steal, and where and how you steal it. and for the most part unless you server some purpose, does not give a fuck except to use the data to perhaps deliver some more of the empathy killing information in larger and more potent doses. and then one can consider the possibility that this is to train us in pavlovian ways to see and think most helpfully as outlined by the war machine that runs ALL of our government. thinking we are up to some stealth outlaw or even mature adult behavior is naive. what we are up to is being puerile, forgetting how to have an imagination for the things that once belonged solely to us (nature, sex) and being monitored by the big eye and trained by the big police entertainment complex for the ‘better things’ of capitalism.

negativland has it almost 90% right except for the issue of pornography and a “free and unregulated” internet. on that one they are dummies outmanned and outgunned by the penis patrol. “hands on your dicks – ok – aim – SHOOT!”

under the spreading chestnut tree
you orgiastically invited your own lobotomy

war=peace, freedom=slavery, sex=violence.
echelon says:
March 14th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
note to negativland: its never too late to correct a negativ first impression.
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 14th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
Re 495: Surely in the land of the free there is no problem for women to get a hold of a gun? I really don’t see how it would help much. As for arming children, well if matches are dangerous then guns most certainly are.

As a species are we really so bad? Don’t most animals do pretty much all that we do? By that I mean rape/murder/incest etc….

To clarify, I don’t rape/murder or commit incest, but all I mean is that animals are as bad as us? Or should we destroy this randomly created wonderland because ocassionally the randomness is disturbing? Isn’t there plenty of beauty to outweigh the shit?

Go out and look at some flowers or watch a sunrise/sunset, gaze up at the stars etc… Who gives a shit about all this really??? We will be here for the blink of an eye and then it’s bye bye bye. Do we really want to spend our days of randomness moaning about a few problems we may have??

Some people just are happy to feed their children.
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 14th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
PS – looking forward to the wobbly album.
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 14th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
just for fun, try typing ‘www.negativland.com’ into the following site:

http://www.codeorgan.com

I think the result is rather fitting actually.

http://www.eminem.com also sounded apt to me.
negativland says:
March 15th, 2010 at 5:12 am
All this porn talk! The solution is more art. How about a little art talk once in a while? That’s what Negland makes, not porn.
Yes, porn is art, but it’s not the only kind.
vincent cannata says:
March 15th, 2010 at 6:27 am
I almost thought that =girl= was the woman on the phone, who joined in on the last OTE, when she mentioned the tough personal time she had, living with ‘artists’!
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 15th, 2010 at 7:12 am
re 506: sometimes it really is better not to feed the trolls. So speaketh one with the distinct impression that his hand is about to be bitten off….

Some ‘art’ for y’all.

http://www.fallyrag.com/blogs/jon.php?entry=18
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 15th, 2010 at 7:17 am
PS:

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=art&word2=porn

So there!!!
vincent cannata says:
March 15th, 2010 at 8:37 am
Hey, Phantom, did YOU like the last OTE?

I did.
cthulu says:
March 15th, 2010 at 11:34 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnbYcB9ctu8&feature=player_embedded
Greg Falkingham says:
March 15th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
‘Antichrist’ by Lars von Trier

’9 Songs’ by Micheal Winterbottom

‘Brown Bunny’ by Vincent Gallo

‘Eyes Wide Shut’ by Stanley Kubrick
vincent cannata says:
March 15th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
-girl-, what do you think of Karen Finley?
Greg Falkingham says:
March 15th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
Worst sex education class ever. I’m dropping out.

But the new episode of OTE, eh? I look forward to the stereo version and giving it a proper listen. Anything to do with Industrial always get my attention. I had to smile at the bit with the Queen Street record store, because I’m pretty sure I know the place their talking about. The reference to the blank record sleeves is a bit depressing though, and I remember seeing the same anonymous wall of vinyl at Sunrise Records during the height of the Techno and House music phase. When album art and artist names are no longer necessary, it means that the music has become so generic it no longer needs any other identifier than its genre name.

It’s a shame, because in the beginning Industrial more than just dance music, and indeed, more than music. Throbbing Gristle and Cabaret Voltaire were both strongly associated with collage art, in addition to various kinds of performance art stunts. The idea behind DoubleVision was to release video cassettes as a kind of alternative to simply releasing audio recordings. A lot of these ideas trickled down into the second generation of Industrial artists -but this is territory that we’re already familiar with and well worn history by now.
grrilla says:
March 15th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
gf – you are fabulous with the deck chairs, lovely job. I hear princess crusies are hiring.
grrilla says:
March 15th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
ps, gf you are the only one on this board who seems like a total douche. the rest of you seem cool. wanker is my new special nickname for you.

so, wanker, are you in negativland? cuz i challenged them to the debate, not one of their fluffers.
grrilla says:
March 15th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
oh and wanker, if you are in negativland, the i for sure totally hate negativland. just for the record.
grrilla says:
March 15th, 2010 at 11:49 pm
one last try (re: violence + porn corollary):

Sadomasochism has always been the furthest reach of the sexual experience: when sex becomes most purely sexual, that is, severed from personhood, from relationships, from love. It should not be surprising that it has become attached to Nazi symbolism in recent years. Never before was the relation of masters and slaves so consciously aestheticized. Sade had to make up his theater of punishment and delight from scratch, improvising the decor and costumes and blasphemous rites. Now there is a master scenario available to everyone. The color is black, the material is leather, the seduction is beauty, the justification is honesty, the aim is ecstasy, the fantasy is death.

(Susan Sontag (b. 1933), U.S. essayist. “Fascinating Fascism,” Under the Sign of Saturn (1974, repr. 1980).)
Negativland says:
March 16th, 2010 at 12:21 am
“Girl” -

You are right, the patriarchal hegemony we are embedded in here in the United States (and a lot of the world, for that matter) is unfair to women, and objectifying and dehumanizing anyone for the purposes of selfish gratification is unethical.

For any way that we may have offended you as individuals or as a collective, sincere apologies.
vincent cannata says:
March 16th, 2010 at 8:09 am
Wait, wait, wait….. What did the Negs do, anyway?
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 16th, 2010 at 8:11 am
Girl, if you want a debate you’ll have to go at our (snails) pace. This used to be a quiet backwater type of message board, so bombarding us with screeds of questions, text and links naturally frightens us a little bit.

Ask a question and a day or so later your reply may come, that’s the way it used to work on here. Negativland rarely post here, you should feel fairly privileged to have received a timely answer to your queries.

VC – haven’t listened to the new OTE, was kinda waiting for the full stereo experience rather than the really low quality version from KPFA. I used to listen to them from KPFA only to then have to listen all over again to hear it properly, so now I tend to just wait.
vincent cannata says:
March 16th, 2010 at 8:45 am
If anything, I thank =girl= for giving this little ‘corner’ some action.

“Remember when it was just: “I like this.” “I like this, too.”
“I like that.” “I like that, too.”

lol
Christian says:
March 16th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
If you want a real debate, girl, you’re gonna have to find a board where more people disagree with you!
Rich in Washington says:
March 17th, 2010 at 12:38 am
Geez, I haven’t been here in a while.
There’s a real girl here and an attempt at a flame war.

I was wanting to talk about the music, cultural jihad and other boring stuff. Damnation!
Rich in Washington says:
March 17th, 2010 at 12:41 am
I was reading the Wikipedia entry on Escape From Noise and was wondering about the assertion that Greg Ginn having had Methods of Torture removed from the SST reissue of the album. Is that ‘true’?
I mean, it’s Wikipedia and all.
If so, why?

Also, who wouldn’t like to hear EFN remixed?
Just sayin’?
discount generic viagra says:
March 17th, 2010 at 4:50 am
I liked it. So much useful material. I read with great interest.
Christian says:
March 17th, 2010 at 11:39 am
Bah. Discount generic viagra is allowed to spam, but my comment is awaiting moderation. Harumph.
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 17th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
re 542: the ‘you should feel privileged’ comment was spoken with tongue firmly in cheek. I do not, will not EVER hero worship Negativland, or anyone else, besides the one true Bob… (maybe)

Oh, and me and my not so white male sexual organ of course, gotta worship the member….

VC – I agree, I’ve kinda liked girl in the main.

Rich, welcome back. I like that, and this too.
Rich in Washington says:
March 17th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
RE: 550:
Yeah, the narcissism thing has become an obsession with me, as well.
I keep running into classic, textbook cases and can see how they continue to suck the life out of everyone around them.
Was briefly engrossed in the works of Dr. Sam Vaknin, but am not entirely convinced that he’s not simply an uber-narcissist who’s found a way to integrate his dysfunction into his psyche and thereby dismiss it.
The scary, ugly thing is when I recognize aspects of narcissism in myself.
Christian says:
March 17th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7520102537648426467
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 17th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
You just can’t keep a good girl down.
girl says:
March 17th, 2010 at 7:09 pm
so liberating!

http://www.hustlingtheleft.com/
girl says:
March 17th, 2010 at 11:54 pm
so liberal!

http://www.hustlingtheleft.com/CRAPP_E_LIB/leftissue.html
vincent cannata says:
March 18th, 2010 at 8:41 am
Oh, here’s something I like:
http://www.osymyso.com/index.html

Like People Like Us, ALL Osymyso’s stuff is free!
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 18th, 2010 at 10:41 am
re 570: Pat n Peg is superb!! Gotta love an Eastenders mashup…
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 18th, 2010 at 10:47 am
I absolutely LOVE this:

http://www.cockrockdisco.com/CRD2/albumpages/Crockp3-022.html

and this was on my MP3 player for weeks on end last year…

http://www.cockrockdisco.com/CRD2/albumpages/Crockp3-020.html

And girl, some of the Hustler cartoons sickened me, I have to say.
Christian says:
March 18th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
http://www.guernicamag.com/features/1563/the_pleasure_of_flinching/
Christian says:
March 18th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Global Repetition Compulsion?

Fear is a greater motivator than pleasure.
Christian says:
March 18th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
As far as I’m concerned the pleasure already is all theirs.
Christian says:
March 18th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
Well, at least there is one good thing left in the world.
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 19th, 2010 at 5:17 am
paste-specked goatlicker

I quite like that one. I think the whole point of the suppository is the horrific idea that anyone would give drugs to their kids in ANY form. Obviously paracetamol for pain relief, but Mertz? Ritalin? It’s an attack on the pharmaceutical companies and their strong arm advertising, or at least that’s how I read it.

Would it really be any more or less offensive if it was a BOY in that picture? I would argue that the gender really doesn’t matter in this instance. If it did then surely it would still be as offensive with a boy. I really don’t get the argument of ‘this is offensive and sexist, but if it was a boy then hey that’s alright then…’

Glad you liked The Toilet, I thought it was some of the best music I’d heard for quite a while.

As for ‘Your Skin Is Gelatin’ I thought it was mainly just nonsensical cut n paste lyrics like the immortal ‘squawking like a Pink Monkey Bird’ that Mr D Jones created back in the day. What makes me think I’m correct is the line ‘an empty bowl of cereal on a rock in a stream’. Or is that in some way sexist and suggestive of abuse? Perhaps I missed it.
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 19th, 2010 at 5:20 am
spastic-mouthed hymencake

hmmm not all of these are particularly funny, although this one made me giggle:

bubble-draped fartbitch
vincent cannata says:
March 19th, 2010 at 10:41 am
Speaking of ‘unintentional’:
You might as well ‘call them out’ for their hoax back in ’88!
The idea of being accused of causing a young child to murdering his parents…. well, it does ‘cross a line’, but it DID expose the lie of ‘main-stream’ journalism… or did it?
If a tree ‘shocks’ alone in the forrest, does it shock?
They do seem uncomfortable in their position…. just my opinion, of course.
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 19th, 2010 at 10:45 am
I would love to hear your very bad penis song with very bad penis accompanying artwork. I wouldn’t accuse you of supporting castration. Even if it said ‘Bobbit was in the right, chop of his wang tonight’ or something like that.

I’d just laugh. In fact, I may get my missus to record those very lines. I would do it myself, but I think the words may have more power coming from a woman’s lips. Or maybe not.

As for the ‘bad art’ thing, what is wrong with ‘bad’ art? Surely art is art is art, and good or bad are just subjective words and in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps the beholder will be a feminist who reads too much into a Negativland song or perhaps it may be a mysoganist who thinks Eminem really DOES want to rape everyone. Or maybe an average Joe who thinks ‘hmm I like this’.

PS – does your lack of meat and 2 veg mean that you can’t comment on anything remotely masculine? If you were to say the new Rambo flick was shit I wouldn’t tell you that you needed to be male to have an opinion

Much love right back at you

sissy-skulled cockstump
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 19th, 2010 at 10:51 am
re 591: My wife always had a bit of a problem with Helter Stupid. She thought it was in bad taste. I thought it was one of the best and easiest ways to expose how news was and increasingly IS now gathered. And the sensationalism. Plus it makes for some great listening too.

How about this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9031532194656768989#

Humourous genius or twisted???
vincent cannata says:
March 19th, 2010 at 11:14 am
“We just don’t have enough data.”…. or is it Dada?
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 19th, 2010 at 11:21 am
Watching that again I have to say I am not surprised it was considered so shocking, but it’s actually pretty funny once you get over the extremely tabboo subject. And if you listen to what they’re saying then you realise that there is very little in there that is offensive.

My favourite episode of BrassEye:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwylBRucU7w
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 19th, 2010 at 11:24 am
purely to lighten the mood:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj2NOTanzWI
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 19th, 2010 at 11:34 am
I actually agree with you for the most part girl.

What did you make of the BrassEye special then?

596 is worth the less than 9 minutes it takes to watch it.

You WILL laugh.
Christian says:
March 19th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
“The left’s intransigency on this matter is too much like those on the right who insist on long sessions of watching hard core porno so they can condemn it. The reasoning behind the exercise becomes questionable and the motive transparent in its unexamined pathology.”

“*sigh*. So, it is now a left vs right thing? Are you arguing that the right believes rape is ethical? RAPE. RAPE. NOT CONSENSUAL.”

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=239848617&blogId=490482337
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 19th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
re 600 I didn’t ever make any accusation that you did. Just thought that the link was extremely relevant to what has been discussed on here in the past few days.
B.Priest says:
March 19th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Brass Eye was fucking great!
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 20th, 2010 at 5:52 am
re 606: love the animation, I’d go much further than ‘meh’ for the song though. Glad you liked BrassEye.
vincent cannata says:
March 20th, 2010 at 7:01 am
Getting back to The Negs: I’ve always found them to be quite ‘non-sexual’. Maybe it’s me, but even the classic track “The Playboy Channel” has an anti-porn quality to it. The weatherman might say ‘the horrible noise’, but we all know it’s ‘noise’ what we groove on, right?
The strange sounds inside “Two Virgins” did more to me when I was a kid, than the photo of John & Yoko naked ever did!
Christian says:
March 20th, 2010 at 10:46 am
Re 604: I’ve never thought of dead bodies or violence while masturbating. Eww…

Re 606: Very funny! (Proof that men aren’t the only ones who can have a deficit of empathy?) I suppose women are better than men because you’re abused more, so maybe men will be ennobled by traumatization. It’s one of the best arguments for child abuse I’ve ever read!

But seriously, folks, consider the development of circumcision rituals in the development of Western Civ. Also consider that the countries that circumcise most–Muslim nations, Israel, and the US–are the most violent. The PTSD circumcision causes males is likely one of the main causes so many of us are the way we are. Empathy can’t be taught through brutality.

http://www.cirp.org/library/psych/goldman1/
vincent cannata says:
March 20th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
Here’s some freaky quasi-Python style animation, for you and yours:
http://www.thefrown.com/index.php?&/cartoons/84/647
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 21st, 2010 at 4:45 am
re 615: I would suggest that you are hanging around with the wrong type of men. I have never felt the urge to strangle anyone or ejaculate into an eye. In fact I don’t really get the point of cumshots at all, never found that part all that interesting. A turn off in fact truth be told. I always saw that as more a bi-product of the whole affair. Sure, I REALLY REALLY enjoy the FEELING of an orgasm, but cum? Meh. Pain in the arse to clean, sticky horrible mess. I don’t like being covered in it, so wouldn’t want to inflict it on anyone else.

I also find the male member strange, even though I’ve lived with one my whole life. I also feel cheated re the whole multiple orgasm thing. Cock and balls really look like they shouldn’t be there sometimes.

But hey, I AM a man, and sexuality is a bizarre thing. We all get our rocks off to different things, and fantasy is merely that. If I can watch Arnie machine-gunning the world without ever feeling the need to pick up a gun (far less shoot one), then I’m sure I can watch Billy BigDick pulling Busty Barbaras hair while doing her doggy-style without wishing to act it out in reality.

I never did get with this whole life imitating art thing. It’s just a cop out, you will copy things you wanted to do anyway. If they are depraved or abusive, then they have stemmed from a depraved and abusive MIND, not the art/film/music etc.

re 611: I can’t listen to that song without thinking of Mark Mothersbaugh’s toilet flushing.
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 21st, 2010 at 8:12 am
re 621: very VERY VERY disturbing. Great animation.
vincent cannata says:
March 21st, 2010 at 8:44 am
Hey, -girl-,
What is your opinion on a subject that gets ‘bandied’ about on the Rigorous Intuition site: the concept of ‘trigger images/words/actions’. If too personal, I understand.
I just recently saw “Derailroaded”: The Wild Man Fisher Documentary, and while I like to think that ‘if you’re NOT paranoid, then there’s something wrong with you’, his sad story shows the perils of what happens when this idea is taken to its logical extremes.
vincent cannata says:
March 21st, 2010 at 8:47 am
re:622: right there with you…. and, let me tell you: these conversations with =girl= are changing my visions on certain things, last last weeks “South Park”, for example!
Christian says:
March 21st, 2010 at 10:48 am
Re 615: Go find a copy of Mike Lew’s book “Victims No Longer” and read the “About Men” section.

Re 622: Most of the porn I’ve seen I’ve found boring, chilling, or disgusting. I don’t get why people like to look at genitals so much.
Christian says:
March 21st, 2010 at 11:12 am
Let’s see if this’ll let me post two links at a time this way:

Link #1: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/more-fertile-imagination-20100319-qm8t.html

Link #2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTVerDGHLKg
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 21st, 2010 at 1:28 pm
re 625: Haven’t watched any current South Park, so have no idea what you mean. I always liked how SP went with tabboo subjects and (to my mind at least) always seemed to totally ‘get’ them.
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:34 am
re 629: It’s great dancing with a large group of people isn’t it? I used to do this a lot at metal gigs, yes they did used to be quite a communal gathering affair back in the 90′s.

Punk music has it’s merits. But as a way of life it is rather flawed.

Notice how I attempt to divert the converstion?
vincent cannata says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:50 am
re 611: I can’t listen to that song without thinking of Mark Mothersbaugh’s toilet flushing.

I thought it was Jello Biafra that provided the ‘toilet flush’?
Christian says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:22 am
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1676
vincent cannata says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:45 pm
WHAAAAAAT……….????

Hate to pull out the “I’m old” card, but this Lady GaGa/ Sandra Bullock stuff is ‘news’ to me!

weird, wild stuff……..!

Once again, thanks for the ‘knowledge’, =girl=!
vincent cannata says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:30 pm
Well, even worse is this ‘conservative’ movie, with the oscar winning actress, and her ‘biker’ husband!?!?!

“When the going gets weird……”, eh?
vincent cannata says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:30 pm
What a freak show…. I assume no relation to Richard Lewis. (spent the week watching “Curb Your Enthusiasm” with the wife).
As for GaGa, I though it was just a 21st century Marilyn Manson/Brittney hybrid: I want a blood drenched Diamanda Galas to ‘settle her hash’!
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:30 pm
re 633: I think you’re right. Mr Mothersbaugh was the Jimi Hendrix samples.
vincent cannata says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Mr. Mothersbaugh was featured in that Wild Man Fisher doc I mentioned earlier….. I have a new-found respect for Barnes & Barnes, too!
Hoosier says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:37 pm
Many people leave lives of quiet desperation. Damn them? Well, let

Many people live lives of quiet desperation. Goddamn them? I tend to believe that shit happens, live and let live……etc. My apogies for all that has happened to everyone.
Hoosier says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:44 pm
Monkey see, monkey do is nonsense!!
Hoosier says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:12 pm
I am a male primate (close relative to a monkey) and have seen, first hand , the shit that males of my species can inflict on females. I do not now, nor have I ever felt compelled to do what I have seen. I don’t think that seeing or experiencing abuse as a child will make that child into a monster at adulthood. Abuse of women has been a raality, long before the existance of easy access pornography. Men are who they are.
Hoosier says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:46 pm
Bullshit!!!
Hoosier says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:58 pm
girl….your vagina is not as important as you think it is. There are mamy ways that women are abused and subjugated that do not involve any perversions of the sex act.

I would never want to think for you and am sorry if i gave that impression. I was simply expressing myself.
Hoosier says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:25 pm
Sorry, I forgot to inform you that I was not born with a vagina and therefore my opinions are invalid. Is that what you wanted to hear?
Hoosier says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:05 pm
The Bullshit comment was my evaluation of your arguement and was not intended to express any judgment of your intellectual capacity. You have some good points but when you insult, please remember that all of us who were born with a penis have fragile igos and…well…by gosh…some of us are devistated by your whit.

How much groveling must we do?
Hoosier says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:41 pm
I don’t think that i have ever complained to anyone about being burdened as a man. I understand that your experiences are unique compared to mine and maybe to the rest of the people here. There really isn’t any way that any of us can chnage that. I appreciate your point of view but I cannot accept all of it. I wish you well and thank you for sharing your views. I don’t wish to debate and will cease.

Good luck to you in making us aware. I’ll continue to read your contributions.

Thank you
Happy Hazard says:
March 23rd, 2010 at 5:17 am
As fer me, I’m going to take all my knowledge of science, and all my observational experience, and guess that females of this species have just as many human ego drawbacks and fallbacks as males do. They’re just different ones… But let’s not dwell on Negativ’s.
phalaris says:
March 23rd, 2010 at 5:38 am
Negativland is a Fragile Igloo
vincent cannata says:
March 23rd, 2010 at 7:17 am
So, for every Laurie Anderson, there’s an Anne Coulter…..?
Christian says:
March 23rd, 2010 at 10:48 am
Re 640: I had another flashback/dream last night. They started during the Abu Ghraib controversy. That’s all I’m saying because I’ve been threatened.

All this Men Versus Women bullshit reminds me of my parents, and I’ve had enough. I’m not going to visit this board any more.

Long live asexuality. May Homo sapiens become extinct.
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 24th, 2010 at 7:04 am
re 680: No need for thanks. The one thing I will always be is a human being.

Christian, I hope you do come back mate, there’s few enough of us on here as it is.
vincent cannata says:
March 24th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
Well,on a non-related subject…..
I mention earlier that we’ve had a bit of a “Curb You Enthusiasm” marathon here, and, on the extra, on a little PROMO for Season 6, Larry Charles is wearing a “Copywrite Infringement Is Your Best Entertainment Value” T-shirt!!!
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 24th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
But will he agree when you’re caught downloading torrents of Seinfeld?
vincent cannata says:
March 24th, 2010 at 8:09 pm
Howdoya’ think I got to see “Curb”……. Shhhhhh
vincent cannata says:
March 24th, 2010 at 8:56 pm
Watch FZ rehearsing the incredible piece, “Food Gathering In Post-Industrial America, 1992″ and other “Yellow Shark” tunes in this GREAT FOOTAGE!!!! ….Just like he was still here……..

http://www.killuglyradio.com/2010/03/24/yellow-shark-rehearsal-september-16-1992/
U says:
March 25th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
NERDS
vincent cannata says:
March 25th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
says you,
U says!
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 25th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Hey U.

Welcome to Nerdsville, population around 10.

You’ll fit right in, I can somehow tell.
Greg Falkingham says:
March 25th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
Better a Nerd than a Dudebro.
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 26th, 2010 at 10:48 am
OTE REQUEST

Please please please can the current crop of All Art Radio OTE shows be dated? I mean in the left link for previous shows. I am quickly developing RSI coming back here day after day week after week trying to find the most up to date show, only to find it is one I’ve already downloaded and heard.

Then 2 are posted at once, and not in chronological order. I’m not complaining, but, a little help here????

Been enjoying the current shows Mr Hazard, keep up the good work.
vincent cannata says:
March 27th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
Dear Mr. Hazard,
Deep within the bowels of this past OTE, there were clips of someone giving a speech about the allure of ‘anti-intellectualism’. I loved it! How was that guy, and where can I hear the whole thing?

Your, etc.,
Vincent .
vincent cannata says:
March 27th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
I meant, “WHO was that guy?”
billy says:
March 27th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Why have a lot of the negativland videos been removed from Youtube for copyright infringements?
Honytonkhero says:
March 28th, 2010 at 9:58 am
Check this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/7532666/Russia-loses-two-time-zones.html

“Do you know how many time zones there are in the Russian Federation? Nine.”

Doesn’t quite have the same ring to it, does it?
vincent cannata says:
March 28th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
so -vee-it.

I mean, so be it.
Harrison Cianciola says:
March 29th, 2010 at 12:43 am
sandra bullock divorce 2009
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 29th, 2010 at 10:34 am
I may consider posting previous OTE episodes on megaupload or rapidshare or the like (if the filesize isn’t too big…)

I don’t think Negs will have a problem with this (I would mainly post the most recent FREE episodes, wouldn’t want to take away revenue stream), but if there is let me know.

If folk are interested in such a service let me know too. Just post a reply on here, or on WAH. Will post this on OTE d/l page and Write Anything Here also.

I also have problems sometimes with the downloads but always seem to get them eventually.

Hope this may help some people…
Happy Hazard says:
March 30th, 2010 at 6:09 am
Re 692:
I don’t remember that OTE dialog – I never do. But it doesn’t matter because the way I collect stuff off media is very (excuse the expression) haphazard, and most of the time I have no idea who I’m recording. And this never bothers me because I’m actually interested in the effect of broadcasting anonymous human thoughts and ideas, unattributed, so it is the ideas themselves that register for whatever value they may have in themselves, unmediated by the presumed “authority” of the speaker.
Same for music. No back announcing music tracks.

Re 698: As always, anybody can do anything they want with OTE. There are NO restrictions on reuse of any kind.

Re 698:
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 30th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Well that kinda answered my non question. Figured as much. The offer stands if anyone wishes it. I just notice that some folks seem to have more trouble/less patience when it comes to d’l from here.
Hermy says:
March 30th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
Hi Phantom,

That would be brilliant if you could make OTE shows available elsewhere.
However I’m still not able to access the AAR shows from February 12th and 19th. I’m still getting the ‘file not found’ error.
Have you had any luck yourself yet?
Roni Weinhold says:
March 30th, 2010 at 11:41 pm
http://fansofdavid.com/?p=35824
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 31st, 2010 at 4:52 am
re 701: I think the error occured AFTER I had successfully downloaded the shows you mention. I reckon it could be part of the shady CONSPIRACY to thwart Negativlands progress to popularity…

I will look into putting some shows up somewhere. A good source of older OTE shows is here:

http://matrix.csustan.edu/Negativ/

Up to April 2008. I would also recommend buying the gaps in the shows from Negativland themselves, whenever the CONSPIRACY is beaten and OTE becomes purchasable once more. They do a great line in discounted bulk buying which I can personally vouch for.

I will post on here in the next few days once I get round to posting some shows.
Hermy says:
March 31st, 2010 at 3:21 pm
re: 703

Thanks again Phantom. The Serpent X website is great. And I didn’t know about bulk buying. I shall have to look into that.
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 31st, 2010 at 3:42 pm
Hermy,

Bulk buying, along with ANY purchase of OTE shows is off-limit for now. Server issues or something. But when the shows go back on sale just email snugganut@negativland.com and ask for the best price on whatever batch of shows you want. I think mine went to around half what I would have paid for the shows singularly. I stumbled upon Serpent X a while ago, it is great for OTE and loads of Puzzling Evidence too, though I’m still only partially getting into that show.

re 694: surely that’s not a serious question.
Hermy says:
March 31st, 2010 at 4:33 pm
I LOVE Puzzling Evidence – Praise Bob!:)
phalaris says:
April 2nd, 2010 at 5:15 am
One thing about the shows on other sites is that they aren’t as high quality as the archive output from the Negativland website. I’ve scanned through a bunch of shows on that site and another and found them interesting to get a glimpse, but these are shows recorded off the radio and sometimes have signal fadeout or other noise and compression issues. But if you want a high quality version of a past show that was recorded from the main mixing console, you can head on over to negativland.com.
Hermy says:
April 2nd, 2010 at 8:48 am
Can’t argue with that phalaris!
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 2nd, 2010 at 11:23 am
re 707: Agreed, a fair amount of the Serpent X archives have audio issues, never had anything like that from an episode downloaded from here.

Anyway, as promised, the pilot of my re-posting of old OTE shows. This is the first show of Feb 10. Let me know how it works for you, and I may start a mirror site if it is successful.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZAMOEE84

Cheers.
Hermy says:
April 3rd, 2010 at 6:45 am
re 709

Hey Phantom,
That link to OTE Feb 12th worked perfectly.
Thank you.
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 3rd, 2010 at 6:02 pm
Hermy,

You are most welcome. Since that went OK, think I’ll go ahead over the next week or so with an OTE mirror site. Was the speed for the download OK? I find megaupload is about the best free upload/download site.

Will post the link to the mirror site once I create it.
gadget says:
April 5th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
JARON LANIER
Musician, Computer Scientist; Pioneer of Virtural Reality; Author, You Are Not A Gadget: A Manifesto
THE FLAWS OF THE LATEST POP VERSION OF THE INTERNET HAVE MADE ME MORE OF A BIOLOGICAL REALIST, AND IN PARTICULAR HAVE MADE ME MORE SENSITIVE TO NEOTENY

The Internet as it evolved up to about the turn of the century was a great relief and comfort to me, and influenced my thinking positively in a multitude of ways. There were the long-anticipated quotidian delights of speedy information access and transfer, but also the far more important optimism born from seeing so many people decide to create Web pages and become expressive, proving that the late 20th century’s passive society on the couch in front of the TV was only a passing bad dream.

In the last decade, the Internet has taken on unpleasant qualities, and has become gripped by reality-denying ideology.

The current mainstream, dominant culture of the Internet is the descendant of what used to be the radical culture of the early Internet. The ideas are unfortunately motivated to a significant degree by a denial of the biological nature of personhood. The new true believers attempt to conceive of themselves as becoming ever more like abstract immortal information machines, instead of messy, mortal, embodied creatures. This is nothing but yet another approach to an ancient folly; the psychological denial of ageing and dying. To be a biological realist today is to hold a minority opinion during an age of profound, overbearing, technologically-enriched groupthink.

When I was in my twenties, my friends and I we were motivated by the eternal frustration of young people that they are not immediately all made rulers of the world. It used to seem supremely annoying to my musician friends, for instance, that the biggest stars, like Michael Jackson, would get millions of dollars in advance for an album, while an obscure, minor artist like me would only get $100K advance to make one (and this was in early 1990′s dollars.)

So what to do? Kill the whole damned system! Make music free to share, and demand that everyone build reputation on a genuine all-to-all network instead of a broadcast network, so that it would be fair. Then we’d all go out and perform to make money, and the best musician would win.

The lecture circuit was particularly good to me as a live performer. My lecture career was probably one of the first of its kind that was driven mostly by my online presence. (In the old days, my crappy Web site got enough traffic to merit coverage as an important Web site by the mainstream media like the New York Times.) It seemed as though money was available on tap.

Seemed like a sweet way to run a culture back then, but in the bigger picture, it’s been a disaster. Only a tiny, token number of musicians, if any, do as well within the new online utopia as even I used to do in the old world, and I wasn’t particularly successful. Every musician I have been able to communicate with about their true situation, including a lot of extremely famous ones, has suffered after the vandalism of my generation, and the reason isn’t abstract but because of biology.

What we denied was that we were human and mortal, that we might someday have wanted children, even though it seemed inconceivable at the time. In the human species, neoteny, the extremely slow fading of our juvenile characteristics, has made child rearing into an extreme, draining long-term commitment.

That is the reality. We were all pissed at our own parents for not coming through in some way or other, but evolution has extended the demands of human parenting to the point that it is impossible for parents to come through well enough, ever. Every child must be disappointed to some degree because of neoteny, but economic and social systems can be designed to minimize the frustration. Unfortunately the Internet, as it has come to be, maximizes it.

The way that neoteny relates to the degradation of the Internet is that as a parent, you really can’t go running around to play gigs live all the time. The only way for a creative person to live with what we can call dignity is to have some system of intellectual property to provide sustenance while you’re out of your mind with fatigue after a rough night with a sick kid.

Or, spouses might be called upon to give up their own aspirations for a career, but there was this other movement called Feminism happening at the same time that made that arrangement less common.

Or, there might be a greater degree of socialism to buffer biological challenges, but there was an intense libertarian tilt coincident with the rise of the Internet in the USA. All the options have been ruled out, and the result is a disjunction between true adulthood and the creative life.

The Internet, in its current fashionable role as an aggregator of people through social networking software, only values humans in real time and in a specific physical place, that is usually away from their children. The human expressions that used to occupy the golden pyramidion of Maslow’s pyramid, are treated as worthless in themselves.

But dignity is the opposite of real time. Dignity means, in part, that you don’t have to wonder if you’ll successfully sing for your supper for every meal. Dignity ought to be something one can earn. I have focused on parenting here, since it is what I am experiencing now, but the principle becomes even more important as people become ill, and then even more as people age. So, for these reasons and many others, the current fashionable design of the Internet, dominated by so-called social networking designs, has an anti-human quality. But very few people I know share my current perspective.

Dignity might also mean being able to resist the near-consensus of your peer group.
gadget says:
April 5th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euLdKW_Db1k&feature=player_embedded#
liberalselfadulation says:
April 5th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EpeF1fcji0
fatherdaugher says:
April 5th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&tbo=1&rls=en&tbs=rltm%3A1&q=mark+hosler+lecture+father+daughter+sex&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 6th, 2010 at 4:02 am
re 712: Does anyone else read that as an extended version of ‘Poor me I have got kids now and less time to fart around making and playing music’?

Some interesting stuff in there, but how it all relates to the internet is not all that clear.
vincent cannata says:
April 6th, 2010 at 9:44 am
I agree, PG!

Geez, we need a THE LAST CHAPTER, PART TWO!!!!
poorme says:
April 6th, 2010 at 11:13 am
no, that LANIER guy is actually a giant producer of a ton of content still. he just is making a point about ‘survival’ and how difficult it becomes in old age to make a career out of theft. meaning – he really could use some cash money for his efforts after a lifetime of reasonably considering his ‘art’ a public offering (free, steal me, etc.) things like declining health (and missing insurance coverage) and the need to be paid in order to eat are entering his conscious awareness….

totally valid contribution to the discussion, his book “you are not a gadget” esp.
dignifiedissent says:
April 6th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
http://www.jaronlanier.com/gadgetcurrency.html
dignifiedissent says:
April 6th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Q: Aren’t appropriation and reuse central to culture? What’s wrong with doing those things on the Internet?

A: Appropriation and reuse are central to culture, of course. I have had a few questions at talks about Hip Hop culture, and I always say I wish Web 2.0 was more like Hip Hop. Imagine if you usually didn’t get to know who was rapping, or if you could only know a name, but not the person’s story? Would that be culture? Hip Hop is about people – some vastly more talented or ethical than others – but the actors are humans with character and history, not information fragments.

If you are being expressive and want to do some appropriating of your own, may I suggest some ways to do it that you will probably find rewarding, even though some effort is involved?

a) Internalize what you want to appropriate first, so that it comes out of you as both an appropriation and as your personal expression. A golden example would be Thelonious Monk learning stride piano and then turning out his Monkified stride entwinement- and I realize it might be intimidating to bring up a stellar example like that… but that’s the path to meaningful culture.

b) Don’t appropriate something just because there’s some hit of novelty in it, even though you have no idea what it meant to the people who made it originally. That’s what missionaries do to the cultures of native peoples. Connect, understand, or empathize with the people you appropriate from, to the degree you can. It’s often hard to understand or connect with other people, even in the best of circumstances, just because that’s the human condition. Any little bit of awareness across mysterious interpersonal chasms you achieve is a triumph, and the only source of meaning. (That doesn’t mean that all appropriation has to be based on sympathy. What I’m saying applies equally well to such things as satire and criticism.)

c) Be financially fair to your sources.
dignifiedissent says:
April 6th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
wasn’t our generation the one formed on all that ‘everything you know is wrong’….?

thusly, why is the challenge that Lanier presents any different than what underlies that basic premise that everything should be questioned, even our own doctrines?

have we become like conservatives, who cling to rhetoric and theory even when it proves to be invalid/unsuccessful/negating?
weareoldpeoplenow says:
April 6th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
Q: The ideas you criticize are more than just abstract ideas to me. They are touchstones of the way I think about goodness in the world and part of the shared experience I have with my best friends. How can you even think of trying to take them down?

A: This is not easy. In my own experience, I clung to ideas that mattered to me for years even after I didn’t really believe in them any more. In my case, it was some late neo-Marxism, some over-the-top feminism, some unbalanced anti-Americanism, and other colorful, consoling explanations for the strange, tricky phenomenon of being alive in my particular time and place. My sense is that when ideas are more than ideas – when they are touchstones of identity, solace, or happiness – then it can take a rational person 10 to 20 years to accept that they might not be entirely correct.

Fortunately, you rarely have to entirely reject beloved ideas, only parts of them. Once you dissect cherished ideas in your head to become more discerning, you lose a little, but gain much more.

A lot of people believe things today that they’ll have to learn to fine tune if either America the nation or humanity the species is to survive. The troublesome ideas these days often have to do with religious fundamentalism or extremist nationalism. The abandonment of cherished thoughts is a hard process that a great many people will have to somehow endure. It’s one of the most honorable and difficult things a person can accomplish.
weareoldpeoplenow says:
April 6th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
ps. girl
K whitecat says:
April 7th, 2010 at 3:12 am
re 471. BANANA!!!! xiang jiao ! ??
K whitecat says:
April 7th, 2010 at 3:14 am
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PhantomGuitarist says:
April 7th, 2010 at 3:38 am
Welcome back girl, it’s been a while.
vincent cannata says:
April 7th, 2010 at 8:44 am
peace be with you, -girl-
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 7th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
I don’t really get how ‘internalising what you appropriate’ makes a damn bit of difference to the originator(s) of the source(s).

Surely it’s entirely up to the individual how much anyone wants to learn about what they sample or even about sounds that may influence their ‘original’ content (notwithstanding the argument that there is NO SUCH THING as original content).

I had to laugh at the example of knowing who is rapping on a hip hop record, like that is ever a problem. I can’t for the life of me think of any hip hop artist who isn’t telling anyone listening EXACTLY who they are in every SINGLE VERSE, sometimes several times. You don’t get that with rock bands. Consider how weird The Ace of Spades would sound if it went something like this:

If you like to gamble, I tell you I’m your man
I’m L E M M Y yes you know me, you win some lose some it’s all the same to the Motorhead crew

The only girl I need is the Ace Of Spades
The Ace Of Spades
Motorhead 1980 motherfuckers
The Ace Of Spades……

I say sample what you will, even if you have no clue of the source. My favourite quoted sample source is on No Business ‘a Death Metal band’. I think it may even be the same one that’s on Its All In Your Head FM. The snippet used is no less important for the fact that Negativland has no clue which death metal band they have sampled.
Greg Falkingham says:
April 7th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
KFMDM
better than the best
megalomaniacal
and harder than the rest

That kinda would be an awesome version of Ace Of Spades, actually, presuming we aren’t just talking about Ice-T’s Body Count project.

I remember seeing C-Tec live and they did a really great cover of Ace Of Spades. Good times, good times…
Greg Falkingham says:
April 7th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
KMFDM

Spell check does not speak Industrial.
stone48 says:
April 7th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
For more on FAILURE, check out
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 8th, 2010 at 5:35 am
Why block the most prolific postee on this board?

Anything really does mean anything.

I forgot about KMFDM. They are also a drug against war. I love the idea of people listening to KMFDM rather than fighting.
vincent cannata says:
April 8th, 2010 at 8:09 am
Never got ‘into’ them…. I remember liking “More & Faster”, and I remember hearing that album with the Zappa lryics on it!

Cute People Like Us radio show yesterday:
http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/35324

Oh, and -girl-, I wonder what you thought of The Residents “Tweedles” album? You wanna talk about, “Where do you ‘guys’ really stand?”, this one was a little creepy EVEN FOR ME!!
moonguy says:
April 8th, 2010 at 10:34 am
Been downloading and listening to OTE for years and never new of the existence of WAH. Thanks for pointing that out phantomguitarist (the link worked, but download was a bit slow)
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 9th, 2010 at 7:50 am
re 748: Never liked ICP. Eminem is the exception to that rule, though I suspect you may not like him much, girl.

I only got into Slim Shady last year, after checking out Relapse, and I think he has a lot to offer if you can just get past the whole intentional offense thing.

much Love
vincent cannata says:
April 9th, 2010 at 8:22 am
I have always avoided Eminem, just out of pure prejudice over anything TOO POPULAR! It was the same with with Nirvana…
I know, it’s wrong to reject thing simply on the fact that so many people think it’s great…… maybe I’m changing in my old age, since I now watch that TV show, “LOST”! Entertainment under the ABC/Disney ‘monster’ umbrella should always be suspect, but they also gave They Might Be Giants a new career: children’s records: one telling kids “SCIENCE IS REAL”!
Rich in Washington says:
April 9th, 2010 at 10:05 am
RE: Seven-hundred-something:
I haven’t been too enthusiastic about anything The Residents have done for over 15 years. They seem to have either run out of musical ideas (or musical idioms have caught up with them) and get mired in ‘heavy’ concepts. Some are great. Some are pretty forgettable. Lately though, I’ve been enjoying their album High Horses, supposedly inspired by an experience riding a carousel on acid in the 70′s. No heavy concept, just weird calliope music.
Rich in Washington says:
April 9th, 2010 at 10:08 am
RE: Seven-hundred-something-else:
I also have to come out of my dumb, stupid closet to say that one of my guilty pleasures is the first three (or four) Motorhead albums.
I sometimes play them ridiculously loud in my car on morning commutes when I am extra tired. Seems to do the trick. I know that’s hideously uncool, but there you have it.
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 9th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
re 753: Could it be this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld76MYPFtRI

I saw this guy support Super Furry Animals a good few years ago and was mightily impressed.

I had listened to rap before Mr Mathers was around and was once a big time Ice T fan, then I got bored of the guns n pussy n guns n drugs n 6 in the fuckin morning…. Also liked PE and NWA. I have to say though, I have been re-listening to the ‘proper’ rap and, commercial or otherwise, Eminem seems to kill them all with very few exceptions. The guy just has a flow that to my ears is unbelievable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDuRoPIOBjE

If you listen to the other 3 guys on here and then the last verse, it just totally wipes the floor with the rest of them. It’s MILES better. Perhaps, just ocassionally, White Men CAN Jump, and higher too.
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 9th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
PS – Vincent, I was the same, that’s why it took me til last year to listen properly to him. Not sure why I decided to give Relapse a try, but you should, it’s good. Or if not that, Stan is a great story telling song, just ignore the Dido.

Not all popular music = shit music.

Saying that, I don’t think I’ll ever listen to a whole Miley Cyrus song, so…..
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 9th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
re 750, 755:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhTSfOZUNLo

My favourite science based song.
vincent cannata says:
April 9th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
re:755… the latest “South Park” gives ‘the book of face’ a right kick in the arse!

On the subject of Hip-hop/rap, I enjoy the work of Prince Paul.
I also like the Quasimoto CD,”The Further Adventures of Lord Quas”.
The last white rappers I gave attention to was Consolidated.
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 9th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
And in local news:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/09/twiiter_rant_candidate/

Offensive, yeah I suppose, but most of his comments are pretty much statements of fact.
vincent cannata says:
April 9th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
ONly an hour and a half in, and this LATEST OTE IS KILLER!!!!
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 9th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
Hey vince,

where do you listen to OTE? Lately the d/l on here have been a little behind. No complaints, but I yearn for up to date Over the Edge.

I was never that into the KPFA streams as the quality is not as good as the eventual downloads on here.
vincent cannata says:
April 9th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
I listen to the podcast from iTunes, always made available the following morning!!
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 10th, 2010 at 6:51 am
re 766: I liked that song, will check her out more later. Thanks for the link.
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 10th, 2010 at 8:00 am
re 767: that is some pretty smart commentary on there. Like it a lot. Cheers again.
vincent cannata says:
April 10th, 2010 at 8:07 am
Kid Rock? Really?
When it comes to Hip-ROCK, Revolting Cocks begat Kid Rock.

Did I use ‘begat’ right?
Grandpa Al may just be doing the same piece of crap over and over, but, at least it those last couple of Ministry albums said, “BUSH IS A CRIMINAL!” as loud as they could!
vincent cannata says:
April 10th, 2010 at 8:22 am
Will the mighty =girl= be checking out the new Runaways movie? I’ll be interested to see how ‘crazy/evil’ Kim Fowley will be portrayed….
vincent cannata says:
April 10th, 2010 at 10:40 am
So weird, them Flaming Lips with Mr. Beck.

Wasn’t into them back then (long story short, lived in New Orleans).
I recall thinking “Odelay” had cynical- ‘I’m so clever’ lyrics over great Dust Brothers jams!

I just hope the film shows the tight-rope the girls had to walk dealing with Mr. Kim ‘I-fuck-little-girls’ Fowley. If you’ve seen “The Mayor Of The Sunset Strip”, he now comes across like a hetro-John Waters (if there can even BE such a thing), but, looking at pictures of him in the ’70′s….. ugh, those evil eyes!

SOMEBODY wept!
vincent cannata says:
April 10th, 2010 at 10:46 am
Phew!

As you know, I’m in Vegas….. ready to leave……
At least, I was lucky enough to have lived here to the The Residents, Evolution Control Committee, The Negs, AND The Flaming Lips perform!

Those days, I’m sure, are gone!
vincent cannata says:
April 10th, 2010 at 10:49 am
Oh, and =girl=;

Your resume IS a little “Zelig”-esque.

I won’t insult by calling you that OTHER movie!

Though, Woody’s a child-fucking freak, too!
vincent cannata says:
April 10th, 2010 at 11:22 am
Sorry, but no. Too busy looking for work to ever make whatever passes for ‘the scene’ here. However, the story of ‘rape survivor’ must be rampant around here. One young woman I met at work (29, back in 2007) inspired me to write my novel. (before you ask, it’s NOT her story, she’s just a character in it). My wife felt a little insecure about the whole situation, and so, I ended all ties.
vincent cannata says:
April 11th, 2010 at 11:12 am
Actually, if you know of anyone (or know anyone who knows anyone) willing to take a chance on a first time authors novel, please have them contact Carol von Raesfeld at:

ckazonis@cox.net

,and have them request a synopsis of my novel.
Carol is a nice woman who was the first person, outside of my small circle of friends, who claimed, “I think you’ve got something here” with my novel.

Thanks for caring.
Carolyn Quinn says:
April 11th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
Interesting topic, I found this just in time. I’m going to save this for future reseach. Keep it up.
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 11th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
I was watching Bladerunner last night, and was struck by how very loosely it was based on Philip K Dick’s novel ‘Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep?’

It also struck me that the Directors Cut had way too much padding in it.

Some great Vangellis in there though.
vincent cannata says:
April 11th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Did’ja get to see “A Spanner Darkly”, PG?
vincent cannata says:
April 11th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
A Zappathon at wusb.com

RIGHT NOW!
vincent cannata says:
April 11th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
They’re interviewing Lorrane Belcher right now: the girl who was busted with Frank back in the Studio z days.
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 12th, 2010 at 6:20 am
I liked A Scanner Darkly, but I haven’t read the book yet….
Rich in Washington says:
April 12th, 2010 at 7:46 am
RE:792:
The film of A Scanner Darkly is – to date – the closest cinematic adaptation of a PKD novel ever, save the kinds of things that don’t quite translate from literature to cinema.
Some question why it would be done in such a weirdly animated manner, while others feel, myself included, that it simulates the augmented/fucked-up reality that the characters are in.
The soundtrack’s great as well.
vincent cannata says:
April 12th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
No shit! Got through 3/4 of “The Book Of The Subgenius” , when I was a young lad. However, I put the article that would be my inspiration for my novel in it, back in ’91.

“Mumbo, perhaps…… JUMBO, perhaps NOT!!”
vincent cannata says:
April 12th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
Quite an interview with Zappa-’pal’ Lorraine (Belcher) Chamberlain. Hope it shows up, somewhere on the internets! Re-telling the tale of the ’63 ‘bust’, in her words: quite a strong woman! People (well, Zappa-fans, at least) should know!
vincent cannata says:
April 12th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
Thanks!
The e-mail address I gave was Carol’s. She’s playing ‘de-facto’ agent, while editing the manuscript!
So far, I received THREE rejection letters!

But, the years still young.
Hoosier says:
April 12th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
Just wondering. Is art created only for the consumption of other artists? I was just wondering if it was acceptable for a non-artist to appreciate art and maybe even be affected by it and learn from it or just be entertained by it?
Hoosier says:
April 12th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
I like art simply because I do, and would like to thank those of you who produce it.

By the way, I was born with a body but no soul. As I have learned “it’s all in your head”. I can’t imagine selling that which I don’t have. What are souls going for these days?

Anyway, the mixture of capitalism and art is obnoxious at best.
Hoosier says:
April 12th, 2010 at 11:11 pm
“It’s All in Your Head” doesn’t present anything new and certainly doesn’t form a basis for belief or non belief in a soul. I simply find no compelling evidence that such things exist. “It’s All in Your Head” reminds me that beliefs, whether religious or not, are formed from the internalization of experiences, formal and informal education and emotional events, contribute to a mindset that is receptive to or not receptive to a belief in things that are supernatural.

You have the ability to believe in things supernatural. So be it.

I don’t.
vincent cannata says:
April 13th, 2010 at 7:35 am
….and REWIND! nyuk, nyuk.

There is something about the sound of re-winding, isn’t there?
teehee says:
April 13th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of9JBG63HsE&feature=player_embedded
vincent cannata says:
April 14th, 2010 at 8:23 am
Would LOVE another ‘covers’ album (LOVED the a capella CD):

Maybe Petra Hayden could do one, like she did with “The Who Sell Out”!!!
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 14th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Re: Negativland covers album.

Think this could be done by the WAH folks and their assorted friends (do any of us have friends, and if so do they like Negativland????)

I would be very interested in recording a Negativland cover, in fact I am suitably inspired enough to record one anyway.

But, is anyone else interested in this as an idea? A fan created cover album? Also like the idea of internet collaborations. Did this a few times and it can work really well. All you have to do is pass MP3′s back and forward with each artist adding something along the way. It’s GREAT FUN.

I’m going to make a start over the next few weeks on a cover of Happy the Harmonica. Anyone who is interested in joining me can email me at:

moodyrockband@googlemail.com

Have we got enough folk to make a passable attempt at a Negativland covers album, to celebrate 30 glorious years of copyright violation????
vincent cannata says:
April 15th, 2010 at 10:45 am
I think a more stylized idea is in order: a RE-MIX album.
Kind of a ‘conceptual-continuity’ meets Jack Dangers/Meat Beat Manifesto style work-out!

On the subject of ‘friends-who-you-try-to-get-to-like-The Negs’:
At the “It’s All In Your Head” show they did here in Vegas, co-workers that work with my wife showed up! I was informed later that they thought the show was GREAT!
shredding says:
April 16th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
negativland needs a shredding video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dURukXNBLzI
Eriik. says:
April 16th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
I am a long time fan and I have been to several of your concerts. Hopefully I will have the time in the future to attend an future concerts you might have here in the local Southern California Area.

Anyway, I have looked around for tabliture for the Nesbitt’s Lime Soda song. Could not find it. I don’t play guitar as much as I used to, but I think the song is really cool and I would like to learn it. Maybe remix it or something just for fun.

Peace out.
phalaris says:
April 17th, 2010 at 2:10 am
I wouldn’t say the entire 30 years has been about copyright violation. Wasn’t until Island dropped a bag of hammers on SST and then SST sued Negativland. I would say Escape From Noise was the amazing step into recapitulation of culture sampling.
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 17th, 2010 at 6:40 am
Not sure about a remix album vincent, seems a little too obvious to me. Phalaris, I agree that the whole 30 years weren’t about copyright violation, but still a celebration is in order I think. Perhaps a remix album AND a covers album?

again anyone wanting to get involved in a covers album, email me at moodyrockband@googlemail.com

I like the ideo of re-working the Negativland sampled output by more traditional means.

Come on you dummies.
Greg Falkingham says:
April 17th, 2010 at 10:06 am
I will email when I have something put together. I don’t want to promise something and then not deliver. As it is, I’ll be using some pretty crude tools (Korg DS-10+, which among other things can replicate a blooper pretty well using the KAOSS pad input).

Reminds me a bit of ‘I Can’t Believe Its Not Lard’ project, which was a Severed Heads tribute album done exclusively by members of the SevCom mailing list and message boards back in the day.
vincent cannata says:
April 17th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Woobly… AND The Beatles????

Should be a killer OTE next week!
vincent cannata says:
April 17th, 2010 at 11:01 am
oops…Wobbly.
Greg Falkingham says:
April 17th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2010/04/video_games_can_never_be_art.html

If only there were a way to bring this debate into All Art Radio. I also wish it was better articulated on the other side of the debate, which is often some variation of Ebert being an old man who ‘doesn’t get it’. I do think there is a generational divide at work, however.

http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/215053589_dZc8g-L-2.jpg
phalaris says:
April 18th, 2010 at 1:06 am
http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-a-year-after-the-verdict-100417/
JinJonesWong says:
April 20th, 2010 at 8:29 am
Yackawow!
vincent cannata says:
April 22nd, 2010 at 11:26 am
How’s THIS for a variation on the ‘mash-up’ idea:
I heard there’s a comedian in the US who’s doing word-for-word Mitch Headberg bits, in the VOICE of Rodney Dangerfield!!
mashup says:
April 22nd, 2010 at 11:36 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_zYD3aekbk

looking forward to wobbly and ECC on ote
vincent cannata says:
April 22nd, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Really? ECC, TOO?!??!?!

oooo, this just might be a KEEPER!
mashup says:
April 22nd, 2010 at 12:22 pm
thats what they tell me (ecc)
Stamina 35 - 1400 ATS says:
April 22nd, 2010 at 2:57 pm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/08/gender.weekend7
vincent cannata says:
April 23rd, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Beatles, beatles, beatles….. & MORE beatles!!
vincent cannata says:
April 23rd, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Love those Rutles songs ‘peppered’ in the mix!
I assume that’s YOUR doing, Mr. Hazzard?
vincent cannata says:
April 23rd, 2010 at 3:00 pm
“SON OF Beyond The Valley Of A Day In The Life”!!!
vincent cannata says:
April 24th, 2010 at 10:53 am
In the God dept.
Sinead O’ Connor get redemption!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/

I think I’ve mentioned before that I thought music DIED when she appeared at a Dylan-tribute concert , and was booed….. and I thought, “If even hard-core Dylan fans couldn’t appreciate what she did, there’s no hope!”
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 24th, 2010 at 11:51 am
The day the music died, eh Vincent? Bye bye miss american pie….

Booed for ripping up a picture of the pope. Now if it was for Nothing Compares 2 U I’d perhaps understand it…………
vincent cannata says:
April 24th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
I know….but, how about that “Lion & The Cobra” album, huh?
Nin-Sha says:
April 25th, 2010 at 12:49 am
Personally I think you should make your archives free and allow us to donate if we can. If we can’t donate because we either are unable to afford even 3 dollars or we don’t have a bank account I don’t see why you would deny access. Do you assume that no one will pay if you don’t make it a requirement? I would suggest charging a flat fee if you are going to do this. maybe 10 dollars. I know that 3 dollars might not seem like much to you, but I have absolutely 0 money and do not have a bank account. I actually just barely got lucky enough to find myself off the street. Someone gave me this old laptop and fortunately I am able to get free wireless internet here. If I had the money I would donate outright. Do you assume that if you left it as an option and not a requirement that you would make less money? Are you just trying to target people with money? Ah well fuck it whatever.. I guess poor people just have to steal shit.
vincent cannata says:
April 25th, 2010 at 8:32 am
WEll, duh!
I haven’t bought any, my bancruptcy just went through yesterday!
I may be out of work and poor, but if i REALLY wanted a old OTE, I’d pay….. it just…. jeez, 3 HOURS?!?!?!
These show really do need editing to enjoy them as a piece you can return to: Even last weeks show, and you know I’m a Beatle-freak!
I’m hoping the edit on Sunday Pludercast show is nice and tight!
Nin-Sha says:
April 25th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
Need editing? why? I have yet to listen live.. I’m not so sure every single show is good.. I think Negativland possessed of a unique kind of genius, but that doesn’t mean everything they create is gold. So how do I know I am not buying a flaming turd? This is why I don’t buy music unless I know it is gold. Eh but I’m sure all these shows are gold.. lol.. I don’t think it needs editing.. I even like the shit that annoys me.. but I have strange tastes
Nin-Sha says:
April 25th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
BTW: I DON”T HAVE ANY WAY TO SEND MONEY!!!!!!! I.E. BANK ACCOUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nin-Sha says:
April 25th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
ah crap i made the forum have 2 sliders..
Nin-Sha says:
April 25th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Hehe, my mantra: Poor people just have to steal shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!time to go steal the neighbors kitty cat
Nin-Sha says:
April 25th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Anything
Nin-Sha says:
April 25th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
And am I to believe that Bob Dylan is attracting a bad crowd? Well goD must not be on our side I guess
vincent cannata says:
April 25th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
WEll, duh.

I’ve been ‘thievin’, too.
Shh, don’t tell nobody!
vincent cannata says:
April 25th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Oh, and Nin-sha,
Check out the iTunes podcasts; I’m sure they’ve kept the past year and a half up there…… don’t forget: 5 HOURS next week!
Nin-Sha says:
April 26th, 2010 at 12:27 am
I just stole some wine from the grocery store.. yeah… I am a bad person
Nin-Sha says:
April 26th, 2010 at 12:32 am
I don’t want to have to steal from negativland. I only steal from corporations. so basically I just don’t’ get to hear their older shows ever.
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 26th, 2010 at 5:26 am
Given that most of these shows have been available for free at one point, Negativland are VERY unlikely to mind.

Oh, and if you’re interested, you can mine for gold here:

http://matrix.csustan.edu/Negativ/
Nin-Sha says:
April 26th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
But then I wouldn’t be able to whine about it
djelrock says:
April 26th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Dear negativland: It’s nice to c you’re still at it. Since I heard “I haven;t found what I’m looking for” and buying every record you had out there and even writing dumbass number one Kasey Kasam, I’ve been a fan. I now have a show in a public format but I hate them. Yeah, they are not commercial but they function like they are. Getting screwed by the CCC over and over again must get tiring at one point. Anyway, I’m giving it up. I’m giving up music cause it’s really not worth it anymore. I admire people like you who managed to get something good going. The rest of the industry can go eat shit for al I care. Sincerely…me
vincent cannata says:
April 26th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
Hey, dj!
The industry got what it deserved!
After reading “Hit Men”, it is obvious this industry was tainted from note one!
I also recommend “EXPLODING: The Highs, Hits, Hype, Heroes, And Hustlers Of The Warner Group” for a better understanding on the ‘duality’ of the rock industry.
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 27th, 2010 at 6:22 am
A true story

http://www.kirps.com/web/main/resources/music/themanual/
vincent cannata says:
April 28th, 2010 at 8:12 am
THANKS for linking this, PG.
Now, to make time to READ it!
vincent cannata says:
April 28th, 2010 at 8:21 am
In the ‘Where’s -girl- when you need her’ dept.

Just saw “Kick-Ass”, a movie in which an 11-year old ‘cute-as-a-button’ girl takes on an entire NY-style ‘mob’ , with an cartoon-ultra-violent style that would make Tarrentino blush!
I only ‘torrented’ it ‘coz I wanted to know why in was rated ‘R’, while a ‘big-boy-shoot-’em-up’ called “The Losers” was rated ‘PG-13′.
The little girl was quite the bad-ass!
fratboy says:
April 28th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
also – SHOCK/HORROR (ignore the jebus)

male porn actors find porn degrading! no way – all that PUSSY and
they feel empty? how is that possible?!?

http://www.shelleylubben.com/former-male-porn-star-vj-soporno-story
vincent cannata says:
April 28th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
Yup, that girl w/ the purple hair is HIT GIRL!
from the movie “KICK-ASS”!

You first see her with her dad (played by Nicolas Cage), practicing getting shot with her bullet-proof vest on; telling her that she’ll having no problem facing a gun, once she’s used to the feeling of impact, and then (no doubt, why the movies rated ‘R’), he shoots her!
vincent cannata says:
April 28th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
Oh, and the Natalie Portman was call “The Professional”
HOWEVER, in the European version (called “Leon”), there was scenes of her actually ‘coming on’ to Leon. Just a few ‘over-the-line’ bits that are not in the US version…. of course, they’re all in the DVD; available everywhere.
girl says:
April 28th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
I think i had heard about that european version of the professional. would not have liked that a bit, the mama tiger in me.

will be seeing kick ass. not sure what i will make of it.

will this post be blocked….?
girl says:
April 28th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
post wasn’t blocked. hrm. not sure what to make of it.

won’t expose negativland casey casem style. but it sure is fun to poke back at what I got poked by! callouses form from too much rubbing. i think sometimes they form on the heart too.

but i digress. will report back from the front (from the war on being born with a vagina) in some time.
girl says:
April 28th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
posts that get blocked seem to have the word pussy in them.

is that because the write anything here is now dun dun duuuun!

being CENSORED!>!

where is my first amendment!?!

DONT I HAVE RIGHTS TO FREE USE OF THE WORD PUSSY?
girl says:
April 28th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
or did Negativland@WAH copyright it?

how did that last one sneak through. which filter is on this blog? the porn pussy filter? but pussy minus porn is ok i think.

hohoho

i crack myself up. I am pretty I am sure I am the only one finding it funny.

kbai
vincent cannata says:
April 28th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
I have no problem seeing that word here… no cencorship here, but then, how could I tell, right?
Yes, interested in the -girl- review of the movie, for the ‘leading man’ of the movie is an akward, nerdy kid…. of course, the kids that caused Columbine were, too….. yeash! “Can-opener. Meet can of worms.”
vincent cannata says:
April 28th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Speaking of censorship:
“Hitler reacts to the Hitler parodies being removed from You Tube”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBO5dh9qrIQ&feature=player_embedded
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 28th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Leon is well creepy.

PS – Vincent, THE MANUAL really does work!!

Well, it did for them and would have here in UK around that time. Nowadays no-one who cares about music at all could give a fucking fuckety shit about what is in the damn bastard hell bitch cunt arsehole hey guess what maybe this isn’t censored all that much charts now.

Bollocks.
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 28th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Excuse my French.
girl says:
April 28th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Dildo!

Asshole fuckface artfart.

868 OMG ROFL

FUCKing HATE CAT VIDEOs.

Holy Shit. Ummmmm, I’m telling, you posted a Nazi on the sacred nazi-free negativland board.

UMMMM!

YOU ARE GOING TO GET IN TROUBLE AND YOUR POST WILL GET REMOVEd. And you CANT SUE EM CUZ YER POOR.

wah wah boo hoo. Crying in my adult baby footypajamas.

Cocksucker,
Girl
girl says:
April 28th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
I am parodying myself today ^ just like hitler in the hitler parody.

ummm im telling negativland on you. you posted about hitler. thats cliche.

i love cat videos. im getting 2 more cats (total of 4 – all black ) this weekend. i could watch that kind of pussy all day.

and that video did make me

love
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vincent cannata says:
April 29th, 2010 at 6:46 am
“I like cat videos, too”- said in the voice of Chris Griffin. (you know, in that scene when the Griffin family is about to die, and Peter says, “I never liked “The Godfather”, and they all yell at him, and ask him why, and he says, “‘Coz it insists upon itself, Lois. It insists upon itself.”. They keep on arguing with him, until they give up, and then, in the silence, he says, “I liked “the Money Pit”.
I, too, have a hard time sitting still for “The Godfather”, and so, like the episode when Stewy chides Brian about his novel, this scene is close to my heart. Like I said before, sometimes it’s hard for me to like something that’s WAY TOO POPULAR & OVERPRAISED.
Yet, I like The Beatles…. go figure.
vincent cannata says:
April 29th, 2010 at 6:49 am
For -girl-,
http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com/cgi-bin/seigmiaow.pl
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 29th, 2010 at 9:09 am
I’ve never even felt the urge to attempt to watch a Godfather film.

I can only handle my Beatles in small doses.

Family Guy I could watch all night though.
vincent cannata says:
April 29th, 2010 at 10:26 am
So, I guess last week’s Beatle-freak-out was not for you, huh?
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April 29th, 2010 at 11:44 am
racial profiling anyone?

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April 29th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
see above, referencing:
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PhantomGuitarist says:
April 29th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
re 876: Mr Cannata, I still haven’t listened to last weeks show. Can’t say it’s one I’m particularly looking forward to, but saying that, Wobbly and Mr Gunderson are an interesting element.

Looking forward to All Rights Reserved. I kinda think it should be All Rights Reversed.
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April 29th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
Well, they start off as a ‘re-tread’ of the thing they did for the Big City Orchestra tribute show, but, once Don joined in, with good ‘interview’ cuts, and the odd RUTLES tune…… well, I’m sure if it was edited to maybe 30-40 mins., in might be a bit more enjoyable for the ‘non-fan’, such as yourself.
Dog Breeds and pictures says:
April 29th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
I agree with most of the things you said in the article , there are some facts i don’t agree with you, but anyway, great article . What about making an article about the Samoyed dog breed? I found it to be the most adorable dog breed. Thanks!
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 30th, 2010 at 9:30 am
Yes, Negativland. Make a song about the Samoyed dog breed. It is certainly the most adorable dog breed. I fully agree.
girl says:
April 30th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
my final WAH! this time for reals, Im going analog.

Hitler invented the first sex doll (just had to type the word hitler here one last time)

https://www.adbusters.org/magazine/83/pornocalypse_now.html?page=1 <-Makes the point better than i ever could.

Love,
An Actual Grown Woman
vincent cannata says:
April 30th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
Re: Last night’s OTE:
Sounds like Mr. Hazzard had a case of the ‘Roy Storey’s Sport Line’ last night’!

“Like I always say; Give ‘em half a brain, and they’d be a half-wit.”
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May 7th, 2010 at 8:32 am
Spent the week torrenting the MTV show “Daria”.
Perfect Halloween costume for Rachel Maddow!
Happy Hazard says:
May 7th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
ATTENTION!
I’m presently a member of Negativland under another name. We must apologize in the heartiest felt way possible concerning our problems with OTE downloading and the big delay in OTE posts, the crazy, unfixed nature of it all etc. It’s shameful NetWeb operations in what is already the 21st Century!

What’s even worse is that we can’t find a working solution to our programming problems. Beweave it or not, Negativland.com doesn’t really have an always available NetWebmaster, and we’re trying to do most of it ourselves.

Sorry again, I don’t know anything about competers. I weep and bow over and over – Jeeze, not even a reasonable excuse for our slow to frozen response in the face of these OTE vs. InterNetWeb technicalities.

…One can only wait and hope, that’s what I’m doing…

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May 7th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
re 894: Thanks for the update, Hap. Was gonna ask. Now I no longer need to. Hope the problems are sorted soon, missing my OTE fix, feel like a deprived junkie…
Hermy says:
May 7th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
Thanks for the update Happpy.
Hope all is sorted soon enough.
We miss you on this side of the pond.
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May 9th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
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vincent cannata says:
May 10th, 2010 at 8:25 am
Just nice to know you’re still ‘lurking’ around with us ‘hard-cores’, Mr. Hazzard.
Hopefully, the new ECC recording will provide an influx of moo-la.
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May 14th, 2010 at 11:04 am
Just 30 min. in, and LOVING this weeks OTE!
Kudos, Mr. Hazzard.
vincent cannata says:
May 15th, 2010 at 8:38 am
YES. THe Hansome Boy Modelling School….. where IS Prince Paul these days?!?!?!
Hermy says:
May 18th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
Good hello,

Does anyone know what’s up with OTE?
PhantomGuitarist says:
May 19th, 2010 at 8:06 am
hey hermy see post 894
Hermy says:
May 19th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
Thanks Phantom

I just wondered if there had been anything since.
So SNAFU is the order of the day.:(
vincent cannata says:
May 21st, 2010 at 10:45 am
WOW! The gangs all here!!
A ‘full-group’ OTE, to me, is MORE EXCITING than the season finale of “LOST”!!
vincent cannata says:
May 21st, 2010 at 1:35 pm
“The Cobain Monkey House”!!!!

Ha, ha, ha, ha!

That’s a GREAT name for a band!
Captan Zeta Jones says:
May 21st, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Does anyone know why the iTunes downloads are in mono?
PhantomGuitarist says:
May 21st, 2010 at 4:29 pm
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May 22nd, 2010 at 1:18 am
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PhantomGuitarist says:
May 24th, 2010 at 4:24 am
re the new OTE page, Negativland you are such teases…
Hermy says:
May 25th, 2010 at 6:24 am
#919 PhantomGuitarist says:
May 24th, 2010 at 4:24 am

re the new OTE page, Negativland you are such teases…
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What’s all this about Phantom?
PhantomGuitarist says:
May 25th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
Hermy, check out the OTE Radio link at the top of this (very long) page. you’ll see what I mean.
Hermy says:
May 25th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
I don’t get it – I have that page bookmarked.
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May 27th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
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booboo says:
May 27th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
I suggest reversing the order in which posts appear on this page (most recent first), so that they more accurately reflect human perception of experience
PhantomGuitarist says:
May 28th, 2010 at 7:35 am
booboo, unless you live differently to me, then the posts here are in chronological order, meaning that you read down the way to find out what happens next. Do you read a book from end to start?
PhantomGuitarist says:
May 28th, 2010 at 7:36 am
PS Negativland, the old OTE page is now back. Did I dream the new one?
vincent cannata says:
May 28th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Hey, -girl-

Yes, it’s bad news all around.

But, good to see you back around here.

Mr. Hazzard,
Good show….. and DON’T DIE!

At LEAST, make another Negativland piece FIRST!!!
vincent cannata says:
May 28th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Lots of People Like Us, this show:
Here’s hoping to new collaboration with Wobbly ROCKS!!
PhantomGuitarist says:
May 28th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
Vince, new PLU/Wobbly is on illegalart.net However, no download only physical product? Is this 1987?

I am now really suffering from OTE withdrawal. I may have to get an iTunes account (ewww).

Do iTunes OTE shows transfer to MP3 players to listen ‘on the move’?
vincent cannata says:
May 28th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
If you’ve had NO problem putting podcasts onto your MP3 player, you can listen to OTE anytime you want!!!
vincent cannata says:
May 29th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
Peace be to you, -girl-.

“The world is gonna be here a long, long, LONG time.
It’s US that are going away….. pack your shit.” – George Carlin.
PhantomGuitarist says:
May 30th, 2010 at 8:55 am
Oh well, guess for now it’s OTE in mono from Steve Jobs… One can only hope the Universal Media Netweb will fix the Negativland user experience soon.
vincent cannata says:
May 30th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
Hey, I’ll take what I can get…. beggars, and all that….
Sadly, Mr. Joyce, Izznt, & Hazard MUST face ‘the NOW’, no matter how ugly it appears! Even DEAD art must keep an ear to the ground!
Never forget how ugly the world appeared to Zappa in the ’60, and, to The Residents in the ’70′s!!!!
Yes, the world is UGLY-er now, but, that’s why we still need/want a NEW PIECE ….. even if it’s just to comment on how ‘crappy’ we thought the world was BACK THEN!!!

The Japanese band POLYSICS is the purest example of what can happen when a once discarded form of art (in this case, 80′s synth, DEVO- fashion, and the ‘super-fast/ pogo-punk’ can give a small glimmer of hope, to an otherwise doomed world!

Now, time to get off my box o’ soap, and back to my scary writers block!

Have a happy day.
PhantomGuitarist says:
May 30th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
Devo are now undead too. What do you make of blue energy domes and fans choosing songs for albums?
PhantomGuitarist says:
May 30th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
PS – Eminem is in Recovery apparently… Not sure what I make of collaborations with Pink and Rihanna.

Not Afraid is a good song though.

I know, it’s bad when one of your only hopes for good music is a late 30′s white rapper, but that’s the way it is. Until the Streets bring out another disk, if they ever do.
PhantomGuitarist says:
May 31st, 2010 at 8:55 am
Oh, nearly forgot that ECC’s latest cuts are supposed to be dropping soon. Always worth waiting for in my opinion.
vincent cannata says:
May 31st, 2010 at 10:48 am
How ’bout a ‘piece’ based on the story Mark told about when Negativland was approached by advertisers!
From hearing an old Rolling Stones ‘Rice Crispies’ commercial to my recent discovery of Stan Freberg (whose “Green Chri$tma$” told of the evils of advertising, and then, went on to create HIS OWN advertising firm!!), AND, the use of those ‘classic rock’ songs for the car industry, just before the dang industry DIED!!
I know a killer ‘piece’ could be constructed using this theme.

Well, at least I’d buy it!
Greg Falkingham says:
May 31st, 2010 at 1:16 pm
re: #943, a wonderful excuse to post this blog entry by Tom Ellard, who had describes a recent brush with advertisers of his own:

“Yesterday I was sent a Licensing Agreement in the mail. Depending on what mood you are in, the whole thing is hilarious or a good reason to punch the next CEO you meet in the face. Probably they would chuck a tantrum if I just reproduced what they laughingly describe as an offer but they can’t stop me discussing the general ideas. Keep in mind I AM NOT EXAGGERATING only simplifying the gobbledegook. If this is the kind of shit that kids are signing, then it’s evil.

* We are a large company that sells ‘clothing items’.
* You are somebody that owns the entire rights in every respect of a piece of music (note the assumption that musicians don’t have a publishing deal in place. As much as I hate being tied to EMI, every time I get one of these ‘offers’ speaking their name causes amusing consternation – what, your music is worth something?)
* We are making some kind of online advertising campaign where we pretend to be cool and hip.
* We might also reproduce this in other ways, don’t know yet (‘any manner or medium now known or later developed’)
* In consideration of the publicity that you might get out of this (‘the potential promotional benefits’)
* You grant us the worldwide right to do with your track anything we can think of – transmit, exhibit, synchronize, sub-license, mix up with other people’s artworks … and things we haven’t even thought of just yet. (yep – sub-license, as in they can contract out your assigned rights to anyone)
* You represent that there is no sampling. Not one sample. No infringements of any kind. Pure as the driven snow. Or we dump your ass immediately. (Lots of luck with this guys)
* You are not a member of any music rights organization, or union that might fight for your rights.
* We have the right to use your likeness and bio. You will not complain about invasion of privacy.
* You don’t get the master back.
* You indemnify us against any claims that might be launched because of the track (fair enough)
* The term is one year.
* Any disputes have to be settled in our home state.
* We need you to sign and return this TODAY because we are behind schedule. Just do it.

I want to reiterate – I am not exaggerating this pathetic offer. For no payment, they get worldwide rights to use a track in an advertising campaign for a year. They probably don’t intend for it to be the highlight of the campaign and in this particular instance the target region is South America, but if it did become an important piece, you just gave it to them for free. To put that in context I would not ask much for a South American synch license, but I would also limit the use region by region. A worldwide buyout license I would expect to be paid up to $5000 per region.

So in this liberated age where kids are being protected by pirates from having a recording and publishing contract, it’s possible for a deal like this to get waved in front of a young band who have no other venue for their music. They are used to YouTube & MySpace – no money, only potential promotion, and the whole thing seems normal. Maybe they can get their track published on the basis of the publicity generated. It’s non-exclusive, so you could try that. If of course the publishers stay open in the face of so much openness. This is an example of how the YouTube model leads to evil.

My refusal is immediate, the music is encumbered and that’s it. But really, anyone who is asked to sign a contract THE SAME DAY should laugh at them. In this state of Australia that’s pretty much illegal, I expect that is true in many places. No solicitor is going to be able to examine it in that time. Seriously – when people complain about record companies, don’t they realise that just plays in the hands of even bigger corporations?”
vincent cannata says:
May 31st, 2010 at 6:10 pm
“Media, about media, about media.”

C’mon Don, Izzy, & Happy! Make it happen!
vincent cannata says:
June 2nd, 2010 at 9:28 am
Might I also suggest listening to THIS interview.
This is comedian Kevin Pollak talking to ‘internet neutrality’ lobbyist and ex-child TV star Justine Bateman:
http://www.kevinpollakschatshow.com/archive/?cat=125

She explains how some ‘net-TV’ channels have gone directly to corperations (who now, seem to have enough money to have their own advertising DIVISIONS) in order to supply themselves a budget to create their own progamming.

interesting, to say the least.
booboo says:
June 2nd, 2010 at 8:03 pm
re: 926

No, but when I wake up in the morning, I don’t rehash my entire life before putting a foot on the floor, though my previous experience is indeed BEHIND me (not in front of me, requiring me to scroll through the whole thing, every single time, in order to get to the present and be able to make a move). capiche
booboo says:
June 2nd, 2010 at 8:04 pm
It’s just a tiny suggestion regarding design.
Nothing to get excited about.
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 3rd, 2010 at 5:04 am
touchy booboo. I get annoyed with it sometimes as well. It’s an intentional design flaw I believe.
vincent cannata says:
June 3rd, 2010 at 8:18 am
Once again… beggars can’t be… you know.
Negativland ARE important, at least to me.
Design flaw-Shmisign flaw!
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 4th, 2010 at 10:29 am
Negativland are one of the most important bands around (or not around possibly) right now. And I agree vince, about beggars.
vincent cannata says:
June 4th, 2010 at 11:23 am
Did you get to download this week’s show, PG?
Boy, those cell-phone callers really screw it up for Hap, don’t they?
vincent cannata says:
June 4th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
Loving all the radio stuff in the last half of the show.
Haven’t heard that Kinks song in YEARS!!
PJ says:
June 4th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
Just out of curiosity, how kosher do you folks think it is not to declare the source of ANY appropriated art bits that go into a new work? Perhaps I’m really backwards, but growing up I just never thought that people would be so darn stingy. It’s sort of like racism, isn’t it? You’re not born knowing that you’re a copyright infringer, because INFRINGEMENT IS STOOPID MADE-UP MONEYFALUTIN’ POO. In my opinion. But yeah, I don’t want to be a complete douche and not source anything if the convention among appropriative artists is to source. Opinions?
PJ says:
June 4th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Also, prophecy? Come. On. Make your own. The only rule in doing so is that you leave some wiggle room to change your prophecy just enough (when it doesn’t come to pass) to keep the dummies repeating/selling it. Good luck! Comet apocalypse prophecies are hot, so I hear.
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 4th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Subscribed via iTunes vince, so I will check out the new show when I next get a chance.

PJ, I think it’s pretty much up to your conscience whether to name your sources, screw convention. Negativland nearly always do,but plenty of others don’t so….
vincent cannata says:
June 4th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
Hey, that’s true….. Still for the life of me can’t find XTC on the “FAIR USE” CD?!?!?!?
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June 5th, 2010 at 4:07 am
snugganut(.jpg) is a girl I believe. Well, woman if one is to be respectfull.
vincent cannata says:
June 5th, 2010 at 7:54 am
Hey -girl- (&PG),
What did y’all think of the Justine Bateman interview ?
vincent cannata says:
June 5th, 2010 at 8:00 am
Zappa once said, “I’m not black, but there’s a whole bunch of times I wish I could say I’m not white.”
Well, I’m not a woman, but there’s a whole bunch of times I wish I could say I’m not a man!

Anyway, my find my ‘girly-ness’ attractive, and that’s all that matters.

The only time I yell at the TV is when Monica Crowley is speaking.
I assume she lives up to her ‘sir’ name…… quite evil, indeed!
PJ says:
June 5th, 2010 at 8:53 am
girl –
I’m not in disagreement with you, and can’t deny reality. As a representative of the species, I (white dudes) do plenty of atrocious things. I (myself) am sadly not in any position to change much except my own behavior. The end times will come, whenever they do. I just don’t believe in prophecies. If someone else does, that’s fine. I’ll still make them a sandwich.

(also, look at all the capital I’s up there. PJ is definitely a dude.)
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Minty G says:
June 5th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
For some time now, I have been trying to think of the name of a song attached to a video shown on MTV back in the ’80s (remember when they actually had music?). The video, towards the end, displayed a patient in a bed reaching for the “nurse” button, but missing it and hitting the “nuke” button, at which point a nuclear explosion terminates the video sequence.

I could have SWORN that this was a Negativland video, but no search has yielded any promising hits.

Is my recollection correct, or is my memory playing tricks on me?

Thanks, MG
vincent cannata says:
June 5th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
Are you sure you’re not thinking of that Genesis video where they had the British puppet company Spitting Image show ‘Ronnie’ get out bed and accidentally pressing the ‘NUKE’ button?
Minty G says:
June 6th, 2010 at 6:49 am
Aha, yes! Thanks for the rapid reply. I am happy to know now said video, but saddened that my mind is clearly slightly addled, and that it was not Negativland. Memory, memory, what a fickle lover you are!

I thought about this as I watched the sunrise this morning. The moon, a sliver in the night sky, slowly faded from sight. I could swear that I could see the outline of the “dark side” of the moon. But perhaps it was only my mind inserting what I knew to exist, yet could not possibly see.
vincent cannata says:
June 6th, 2010 at 7:24 am
Sometime, even the ‘super-popular’ can inspire,
for better or worse.
vincent cannata says:
June 6th, 2010 at 11:35 am
-girl-,
Not to make light of your post, but I live very close to THAT dry cleaner place!!!

Meanwhile, HERE’S the men your after:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article7142478.ece
Among them are Queen Beatrix of Holland, & Queen Sofia of Spain.
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 7th, 2010 at 4:48 am
Branflakes and ECC on tour together. Sometimes I wish I stayed a bit closer to the ole US of A. Not that many times, but sometimes.
vincent cannata says:
June 7th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
And just who are said Branflakes??

and, -girl-,
it’s FUCKING HOT HERE!!!!!!!!!
hot and miserable! And, it’s not even summer……… FUCK!
Hoosier says:
June 7th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
I wonder, how does anyone mess with anyone elses head on a site like this. I question the relevency of anyone’s superstitions and prophecies. There is no need to respect either one.
Hoosier says:
June 7th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Those evil Jews!!! The Rothchilds, I mean. Well, now i feel better.
Hoosier says:
June 7th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
“Oh, Fuck off” Well spoken!!
satan says:
June 7th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
prophecy for fans of negativland: repent now or forever contribute to the giant circle jerk that is your favorite ‘art collective’ in my lowest cubicle in hell.

jews are just as evil as all the other rich assholes. and the rothschilds are assholes. assholes = assholes, god’s chosen people notwithstanding.

im with girl, most of these dudes are idiots.

fuck off,
satan
Hoosier says:
June 7th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
Satan is on the same par as God.
satan says:
June 8th, 2010 at 12:22 am
im confused, i thought i was in negativland, and therefor expected to be a snarky hipster and take jabs at god.

i was his most beautiful angel before i got my playboy subscription, and then i became an ADD addled paffer. still am, actually. hell is filled to the brim with my satanic spermatazoa.

for the record, my beautiful rothschilds are ashenazi from the small country of georgia. they claim the jewish faith as many confused central asians during the time of the crusades had to pick a poison, or get bit by roman tigers. this little sidenote is akin to the iranians claiming to be amenian, and any time neighboring moderate secular countries tried to point out the attempted bomb manufacturing going on (nuclear, my favorite) the iranians plozted again about their holocaust via the turks (who ‘invented work’ and are still considered the biggest jerks if you follow a favorite line from that hobo song of yore) and claimed anti-defamation status because their people had behaved as shits are wont to do and were called to atone.

anyway, im tired, a lot of stuff going on at my behest these days. got to get my rest and be up early to see about that longer than viet nam thing i have going on in afghanistan right now. if i were to drop the ball, not only would most of russia NOt have a fantastic herion habit, but those girls might get educated.

and satan knows, we hate opinionated pussy.

all my best,
beezel-on -bub
Faye Schilawski says:
June 8th, 2010 at 9:20 am
Well written posts, I am a big time fan of your site, keep up the well written work, and I will be a regular visitor for a very long time.
vincent cannata says:
June 8th, 2010 at 10:33 am
Hey, -girl-
I see that “Sgt. Pepper”= thingy your dad’s in is at the Paris: ‘the scene of the crime’, as my wife & I like to call it.
Won’t be going, but hope it gives him years of stable income!
satan says:
June 8th, 2010 at 11:11 am
thats unfortunate about the paris. the showroom that elvis built with girls dad and the rest of the tcb in a flash band was the original debut site of the cheap trick craptasm at the hilton nee the international. we had many good times there back when. our road manager used to wear a t-shirt that said ‘i heart tight pussy’ … ah yes the good old days, gone forever thanks none to the weak little kickstart attempts at evolution by pathetic simpering mothers everywhere. moving along to current events.

i crafted this song and dance routine last night as i thought about how sexxxy this new world order makes me feel. goldman sachs shorting the transocean stock days before the explosion just turns me on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmXOjQOmQog
vincent cannata says:
June 8th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
When I think of Vegas & ‘road-managers’, I remember a story this hairdresser who used to work with my wife told me:
He used to be a limo driver back in the ’70′s. He was picking up Zappa just after the unfortunate incident, in which his road manager had gambled all the previous nights money away, and then decided to jump out of the window of his hotel.
Of course, now all the windows are screwed shut!

Problem solved!
satan says:
June 8th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
oh yes, that silly ron nehoda. he had to jump, i took him for the ride of his life that night. girl remembers the story because it was circulated through the preteens. we wanted her to see kiss that year at the Aladdin but her mother wasn’t sure that environment was appropriate. ah, how i hate mothers. they disgust me with their ‘caring’ and ‘loving’ and ‘hoping’ for a ‘better’ world.

and stuff like this
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/jun/10/failure-american-jewish-establishment/
just disgusts me. young people seeking peace on earth. get over it and suck my giant shit rig.

regards,
Satanael
vincent cannata says:
June 8th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
Speaking of Zappa:
Here’s a video of a nice lady performing “G-Spot Tornado” on piano!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEOFBXui3rs
satan says:
June 8th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
that lady’s significant talents come directly from the deal she made with me at the crossroads. It was a minor publishing detail in exchange for her eternal soul.

also, this is a woman who grew up in the same neighborhood as -girl- … and paints and accurate picture of what that city was like for many young ladies back when I had my hold on the whole place. oh, i regret that drugs and organized crime has given over to condo’s and whole foods. it was so perfect there for so long, makes me want to sing and dance just remembering. perhaps tonight i will write another song.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/mar/17/after-21-years-hold-shes-ready-life/

All My Best,
Satan
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 8th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
http://www.thebranflakes.com/index.html

for attention of vincent.

some nice audio to be found there. Also if you search I’m pretty sure there are a few full album’s worth kicking around in the cosmos. Also you could try torrenting a certain white male hip-hop artists latest album, reckon you may be more impressed than you would expect.
vincent cannata says:
June 9th, 2010 at 10:02 am
Gonna give the new Laurie Anderson a listen first….
you all can, too:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127403919
Happy Hazard says:
June 10th, 2010 at 3:39 am
Re:954
Not denying this is a somewhat sticky problem, but my opinion is that art keeps on a-changin and sometimes previous bows are dumped. Alas.

Now that a significant amount of new art in all media is based on found source material, the new mantra should be “Fair Use For Collage!” – Fragmentary or transformational reuse of existing material in new work should negate the need to pay for using it.
This kind of work can’t really be done if present reproduction rights actually ruled. Too expensive to even begin.
Acknowledging the authorship of your sources, aside from the need to pay for them, should remain voluntary.

Have a happy day.
Marin Brumbalow says:
June 10th, 2010 at 4:42 am
I Entirely realize what your position in this issue is. While I might disagree on a few of the smaller details, I believe you did an astounding job outlining it. Sure beats trying to study it by myself. Thanks.
vincent cannata says:
June 11th, 2010 at 11:21 am
Somebody did a cute Rutles mash-up album!
ala The Beatles “LOVE” album, this is The Rutles “LUNCH”
This cat took the time to parody the LOVE site, too.

This is a ‘must-see’ for all Rutles fans!!
http://www.rutleslunch.net/
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 11th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Thanks for that Vincent. I will listen whenever I get fed up with Slim Shady’s new record… Or quite possibly well before that.
vincent cannata says:
June 11th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
WEll, I found the new Laurie Anderson to be: “Meh.”
phalaris says:
June 11th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
I get to be 999 !!!
1000 says:
June 12th, 2010 at 1:57 am
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PhantomGuitarist says:
June 13th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
Here’s an idea, why not make the horizontal scrollbar identical in length to the vertical scrollbar. Wouldn’t that be great????
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June 14th, 2010 at 6:10 am
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vincent cannata says:
June 15th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Sad news about the bass player from JAPAN:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/news/20100611_midge.shtml
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Negativlandheim says:
June 18th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
ANNOUNCING! In honor of Negativland’s 30th anniversary year, we have dropped lots of prices over at Negativmailorderland. We’ve also added back some items from deep in our back stock which had not been available in years (some Bob Ostertag, the Al the Alligator cassette, etc.)

Our back catalog will soon be available for iTunes download again, too.
vincent cannata says:
June 18th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
“GOOD NEWS, EVERYONE!!” – Prof. Fonsworth
Dominic says:
June 18th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
It all comes from you
it all comes from you
it”s all your fault

All your Motown favorites, lovingly pureed, hacked, mangled and soothed!

Motown Meltdown: Volume 2

http://www.gigantesound.com/artist_motown.html

“The resulting Vol 2. goes from insane brokenbreaks glitch of Vytear to achingly sad tracks from Blanketship, to more hypnagogic drones from Beaks Plinth and manic cutups and loops of T H E M A Y S and Lord Tang. Definitely not Motown as you’ve heard it before! ”
-Radio Clash
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 18th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
Motown Meltdown sounds interesting, as does the new Gitar CD from Seeland. Loving the idea of a re-issue of debut album, though I do already have a one of a kind copy. IAIYH vol 2 should be good, one of my favourite Negativland discs is the first vol of this. September seems almost too long to wait for ECC, guess I’ll make do with DEVO and Shady.
vincent cannata says:
June 18th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
Just got “Music For The Fire” in the mail!
Sadly, the ‘mash-up’ king Go Home Productions has produced a rather pedestrian bunch of cuts:
http://www.gohomeproductions.co.uk/
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 19th, 2010 at 6:25 am
Music for the Fire now available for download.
vincent cannata says:
June 19th, 2010 at 8:06 am
WHAT?!?!?! You mean I could’ve downloaded it instead of buying a PHYSICAL COPY?!?!?!

God-dammit!
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 19th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
I think Obarmy caught a lot of undue flack over this BP thing. Seems a whole load of people expect him to come over all Aquaman or something and dive in there and suck up all the oil. Maybe I’m thinking of Superman.

Girl, (cos it just has to be you), I must admit that your post looks very illuminating but I don’t have the staying power to read all that. Plus the last time I read a Naomi Klein book I developed an allergy to it.
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 19th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
ATCHOOO…. (see what I mean…)
vincent cannata says:
June 19th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
The voice from “You Don’t Even Live Here” is stuck in my head, saying:
“WE, SIR, ARE PAYING FOR THIS ENTIRE GOD-DAMNED OPERATION, AND YOU WON’T EVEN LET US TALK!!!”
The song is my vote for the new national anthem.
indichick says:
June 20th, 2010 at 10:01 am
you are special and god loves you. and this prove that there is no god.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yENU-988es&feature=player_embedded
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 20th, 2010 at 10:35 am
Thanks indichick. Now I will have nightmares and a Naomi Klein allergy.
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 20th, 2010 at 10:45 am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/theadventuregames

Cheer up and be the Doctor.
Darla Dejager says:
June 22nd, 2010 at 10:45 am
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vincent cannata says:
June 24th, 2010 at 11:19 am
Pretty cool People Like Us show yesterday…..
only an hour, but great, nonetheless.
http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/36288
vincent cannata says:
June 26th, 2010 at 11:10 am
Hitler reacts to the news that The Faces reunion gig will take place without Rod Stewart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ERDiogP4tY&feature=related
Allen says:
June 27th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
Keep it going guys. I’m always interested in what you are doing.

Keep on booping,
Allen
Dr. Oslow Norway says:
June 28th, 2010 at 7:10 am
Re: 965
No, this was, and there was no such video, no such audio.
Please do not respond to anything
Dr. O.N.
vincent cannata says:
June 28th, 2010 at 8:17 am
re: 1025:
Keep On Booping!
That would make a killer bumper sticker/ T-shirt/ BOTH!

hilarious!
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 29th, 2010 at 7:24 am
re 1027 I have to say I wholeheartedly agree. Keep on Booping, as a slogan complete with booper drawing from Weatherman, would be a surefire bestselling t-shirt on here I am pretty sure. I’d buy one, possibly 2.
vincent cannata says:
July 1st, 2010 at 8:55 am
I envision a R. Crumb- meets- “One Step Beyond”- nutty-train, with outstretched arms working a big booper!
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 1st, 2010 at 9:30 am
Actually this image:

http://www.negativland.com/images/art/enlarged/weatherman.html

would make a great t-shirt, with or without the KOB slogan. I would prefer with, of course.
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 2nd, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Just received Gitar Stuffed in the mail, and I can recommend it to any Negativ creeps.

Goddamn did they do the whole cigarette thing way better than I did. Way to make a guy feel inferior.
vincent cannata says:
July 2nd, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Will be hearing it/them on an up-coming OTE, but ….REALLY???
You’re telling me it something REALLY GREAT?!?
Jeremiah Dissed says:
July 3rd, 2010 at 4:42 pm
“Every word is like an unnecessary stain on silence and nothingness”. Samuel Beckett

Yeah, I know.
your delusion says:
July 4th, 2010 at 5:11 am
what the hell does anyone know about Mr. Joyce?
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 5th, 2010 at 5:28 am
re 1032: Well I liked it. I’d imagine you may too. Very concise and PLENTY of samples shoehorned in there.

re 1036: I never really appreciated the importance of Izzy Isn’t in Negativland, but after a few years of listening to OTE I’d have to agree with most of what you said there. Although I did like Thigmotactic, lead paint chips and all.
vincent cannata says:
July 5th, 2010 at 8:26 am
There seems to be a kind of Lennon/McCartney animosity when it comes to the Holser/Joyce relationship: Before the “It’s All In Your Head” show, Mark came to Vegas to do his ‘one-man-show/all-about-Negativland’ presentation, and he alluded to the fact that the members of Negativland don’t really ‘hang out’, like friends, or band members don’t share the same interests, so, I don’t think this ‘who’s better’ is really a path worth traveling.
Pulled out the “Free” CD, and played it on the 4th. Though I cannot say for a fact that ‘Mark does the MUSIC, and Don does the TAPE COLLAGES, there ARE instances where this balance IS what make this group Negativland! For as great as I think Don’s solo piece is, it could’ve used a ‘music-bed’….. or not. The ‘jams’ behind the “Dead Dog Records” CD make it so beautiful, you cannot deny the value of their collaborative effort.

PS…. I’m sure there were others who’ve worked on these pieces, and I’m sorry if any of my statement is wrong!
vincent cannata says:
July 5th, 2010 at 10:47 am
Well, I know none of the ‘flop-tops’ on a personal level, so I really can’t be a part of the conversation.
The Attery Squash says:
July 6th, 2010 at 7:11 pm
Devo was right about everything.
WAFFLES says:
July 8th, 2010 at 2:39 am
When the OTE downloads will be available again?
vincent cannata says:
July 8th, 2010 at 8:04 am
EVERYONE!
Stop letting this miserable world kick our asses for a second, and enjoy the fact that there’s a new movie by Jean-Pierre Jeunet!!!

http://www.sonyclassics.com/micmacs/
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 8th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
The latest Devo record really is rather good.
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 8th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Anyway, the true genius behind Negativland has to be the Weatherman, closely followed by Dick of course.
your delusion says:
July 8th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
yeah, but I (you) already know this.
vincent cannata says:
July 9th, 2010 at 9:30 am
Took an hour, but i finally heard that Python “Money” song!
Great show so far!
vincent cannata says:
July 9th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Terrific SHOW!
indiechick says:
July 9th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
OMG OMG OMG

best one i have heard
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 10th, 2010 at 4:20 am
I forgot all about the Money Music show. Will need to fire up iTunes again. Damn I hate that program, don’t think I would even use it if it wasn’t for OTE.
vincent cannata says:
July 11th, 2010 at 9:03 am
…by the way; went to the Jeunet movie w/ the wife.
It ‘s fuckin’ brilliant!
A good time was had by all. By all, I mean us, and the three other people in the movie theatre.
Walt in Washington says:
July 16th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
Speaking of failure… how are we supposed to do call-ins on OTE now that cell phones just sound awful?
vincent cannata says:
July 16th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Wooosh… that was non-stop, wasn’t it. I need a frame!
Hope the CD is a little more ‘contained’…. or, maybe I’m just getting old.
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 16th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
re 1061: I don’t think I can ever forgive Eno for those Bowie collaborations… Dull boring instrumentals on what would otherwise be damn fine albums.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/17386/181883

Not as big a mistake as the new style, James….

re 1063: Haven’t listened to the transistor radio version of the show yet, but I can confirm that the CD is anything but ‘contained’. Just keeps smacking you with sample after glorius sample. But I liked it a whole lot, as stated previously.
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 16th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
re 1064: No, just do it!!!!
phalaris says:
July 16th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
@ 1062: Walt. Just don’t ever think of using a cellphone on Over the Edge… You know there are alternatives. If you still have old telephone lines in your region, go back to a subscription of those old telephone lines… Otherwise bite the bullet and get Comcast cable telephone service. This is what I use. I get unlimited long distance calls and have the clarity of full audio range that phone lines allow with, most importantly, no HICCUPPING which is what Mr. Joyce HATES. I know, Comcast is a huge corporation.. But look into other alternatives. I’m not sure if Voice Over IP service will work as well, like Vonage, But anything but a cellphone will give you a much WIDER range of audio to consider if you’re going to be calling into a program that deals with the same high fidelity that FM radio has provided ever since its conception. But think of it as an investment into a charming past-time that can bring copious amounts of enjoyment while being a “remote studio” for deposit into receptacle programming.

Also, check this out – http://negativland.com/gadgetry/

This will show you how to make a phone bridge which you can connect the output of a mixer to in order to get the fullest of audio from sources such as tape machines, CD’s, computers or samplers which you can use as an intelligent “sound conversation” while calling in to OTE.

Remember, it doesn’t take much, but this is a SERIOUS hobby for some.

I hope this helps and fair well for the better of the ART.

-phal
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 17th, 2010 at 6:52 am
re 1062: Liking the sounds Walt, and also liking the idea of bandcamp.com Looks like a good home for my own art. Thanks mate.
Greg Falkingham says:
July 17th, 2010 at 10:53 am
More bloody Ellard:

‘Try to remember how to individuate, to rebel. There are infinite ways – that’s the key – there’s not the correct way. The person that uses FaceBook to coordinate their Friday nights with their real friends should lecture me, who looks at FaceBook like a poisonous snake. For my part I begin to understand why I instinctively took on the teaching of game design. The computer has become a projection, a kind of idol with which we’ve become intertwined. As more and more people have adopted a computer as identity (an avatar, a persona, a mediator) there’s been a push to make it an appliance and therefore an aid to what Foucault termed ‘technology of the self’. This constantly connected, linked to a mainframe, rights managed consuming device serves as a very poor role model – to individuate it to run unique, self serving, (even if badly written) applications is healthy for individuating our minds.

I can sum it up: D.I.Y.
Make software for the self and not the marketplace.’

http://tomellard.com/wp/2010/07/try-remember-how-to-individuate/
vincent cannata says:
July 17th, 2010 at 10:59 am
On the subject of ‘liking’ Gitar:
Thankfully, I got to hear some of Gitar’s I CUT PEOPLE solo work on Evolution Control Committee’s weekly show “The Sound Of Plaid”!
I DID enjoy it, but, it’s definitely a style that that gives it more of a ‘comedy record’ feel. Now, some people might feel this is kind of insulting to the art. Well, yes and no.
Looking back on my old ‘record-collecting’ days, I’ve discovered that before I got into buying the latest TOP 40 record, or even a Beatle record, the records (and sometimes pre-recorded tapes) I went for were in fact COMEDY RECORDS:
-The first two Steve Martin records
AND
- The first two Monty Python records
So, I might be coming from a different angle…….. maybe.
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 17th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Nothing wrong with comedy records.

http://www.weirdal.com/catalog.htm

And pretty much every one an absolute GEM. And, I did find GITAR funny. Some of Negativlands best stuff is also rather funny. And ECC as well, come to think of it. It’s nice to laugh sometimes.
vincent cannata says:
July 17th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
I only say this ‘coz….. there’s always a ‘fimiliarity’ problem that sometimes can destroy the ‘hilarity’, you know what I mean?

You knida have to pace yourself when it come to comedy records.

I recall listening to those Python records until memorized, and they lost their luster.

I remember when I heard “Lumpy Gravy” for the first time, and making sure NOT to play it too often.
Am I crazy?
vincent cannata says:
July 17th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
re:1079:
After the “Money Music” OTE of a couple of weeks ago, I could see THAT being crafted into a nice CD-length ‘piece’……. maybe.
vincent cannata says:
July 17th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
re: 1082
WAY? Que es WAY?

As far as an edit of Money Music, I would think it would need a bit ‘fidelity-izing’, don’t ya think?
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 17th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
WAY= Weird Al Yankovic.

Think the transistor feel could work with Money Music. I am in that kind of mood that I might play around with it a little over the next couple of weeks when I get a chance.
vincent cannata says:
July 17th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
Ohhhhhhhhh……. WAY!

How silly of me!
vincent cannata says:
July 17th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
Oh, and other thing:
The I CUT PEOPLE that I heard reminded me of the funny little bits in front of the songs on the now-classic COLDCUT album “What That Noise?”
That album came out back in the day, when my then-future-wife and I were working in a record shop in D.C. Good times.
Izzy Isn't says:
July 18th, 2010 at 12:05 am
Anyone who wants to edit down “Money Music” is welcome to try, but some of the boys in that band may be doing same… all welcome – is THIS the music whose time has come? If it’s short enough?
And whose doing the single?
Phineas Narco says:
July 18th, 2010 at 4:17 am
I did do an edit down of it it’s in the podcast at my site, at least the first half is right now.

http://www.nationalcynical.com/thoughtconduit/archive?id=1108

Both parts are burnable onto a cd so I guess you could say it’s a ‘double cd’ but only in online form.

You can get the whole ‘Narco Edit’ in .flac form too at lulu too for a donation at http://bit.ly/byFmy1

Maybe I will boil it down to one cd depending on what people think of the edits.

Phineas
vincent cannata says:
July 18th, 2010 at 8:35 am
re1088: I remember hearing that The Flaming Lips were going to package their new “Embryonic” CD in a hair-covered ball, and a slit on the side, through which you could pull out the CD.

re1089: Never deny the power of something that’s 3:50 or a little longer.
vincent cannata says:
July 18th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Just popped in Narco’s Part one: WOW! What a difference fidelity makes! Feels like all the wax has left my ears!!!!
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 18th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
re the Weatherman, I would NEVER make fun of the Weatherman, even if he is the funniest member of Negativland BY FAR. The booper is a great invention and those home tapes… I can’t get enough of the Willsaphone Stupid Show.

Have yet to listen to the Narco mix, but yeah, I kinda did get the impression that his mix from a decent source might somewhat negate the need for my shitty attempts… Still, might still do it.
Phineas Narco says:
July 18th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
You can also hear my edit at soundcloud it’s here for the time being:

http://soundcloud.com/nationalcynical/over-the-edge-money-music-narco-edit-part-1-of-2

Hope you like! Feel free to comment.

Also if you guys know where I can get like a ‘front end’ of a good website system, with php and all that stuff, let me know. I have a place to park my files but I really need a good blog and comment section and store, that will be functional, and I really don’t have that now. Thinking about Laughing Squid. Let me know?

Thanks!

Phin
WAFFLES says:
July 19th, 2010 at 4:38 am
IZZY-
Any progress on the downloads becoming available again?
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 19th, 2010 at 7:13 am
PS – re Weatherman is gay, the Dumb Stupid Come Out Line does really seem to be asking for it somewhat.
vincent cannata says:
July 19th, 2010 at 11:16 am
Aha! So, you WERE in direct contact…. thus, coming face-to-face with Hosler’s ‘wymin’ issue’!
Let it be known, if you were treated like crap….
Like I’ve said before, I have no idea whom these people are ‘in-the-day-time’….. the only one NOT a mystery is THE WEATHERMAN!
It speaks to your better nature that you still hang out w/ me, and PG, here…. in this extremely small club!

and I thank you.
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 19th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
hmm, that ‘asking for it’ comment looks a lot more brutal in cold white on grey. What I meant was the nature of that show seemed to be intended to wind people up. Not saying that the more extreme reactions to it were warranted, but given the period it was done, they were to be expected, sadly. And also I think both the Weatherman and other members of Negativland knew the sorts of reactions they would get and indeed WANTED such reactions.

Sometimes I like ‘taking the piss’. It’s what makes shows like Family Guy and South Park worth watching.

I still think people deserve respect though. What a conundrum that is….
vincent cannata says:
July 19th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
re1104: Ah, the conundrum of ‘coorperate owned art’.

While writing my ‘still-unpublished’ novel, I did research on the Medici family, and how tied they are to both the rennesance and the church’s stranglehold on the people: they ‘made’ Gallieo & Michelango AND ‘The bonfire Of The Vanities’ & The Vatican!

Working both sides!
You could say the same thing about Rupert Murdoc:
Fox news makes the rightous wanna ‘take back the country’ while 20 Century Fox has ‘Star Wars’ & ‘Family Guy’, and make cute ‘indie’ movies that mean something only to the people that watch them……

I know…. it sucks.
vincent cannata says:
July 19th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
I know, I know….. Comparing The Renaissance & The Vatican to Hollywood & this American religo/policital aggression is like comparing……. uh…… ummm… something….
boy, this writers block is killing me!
vincent cannata says:
July 19th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
Plus, as a ‘turn-of-the-coin’, you’re impression of the movie “Amelie”

For me (and this could be just me), but I find “Fight Club” & “Amelie” as twins; a kind of ‘opposite-land’ version of two things, that are somewhat the same: The main characters both live inside themselves, they both adopt a form of ‘vigilanty-ism’, and, in the end, ‘love’ saves them from ‘crazy-town’…..
yes/no?
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 19th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
I’ve not yet got round to watching Amelie.

As for Fight Club I liked that movie more than I expected to. Never saw that twist coming at all, even though with hindsight it was pretty damn obvious.

re 1107: In the words of Andy Cairns (who he you probably ask, well google it if it at all bothers you, but it doesn’t really matter):

The world is fucked, and so am I
Maybe it’s the other way around, I can’t seem to decide….
vincent cannata says:
July 19th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
Oh, and I forget another similarity in both of those movie:
Both have had their ‘styles’ co-opted by advertisers!
vincent cannata says:
July 19th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
PG!
Bwa-bwa-WHAT?!?!
Never saw “Amelie”?????

Holy cats!

Your mission, should you choose to accept it: check all of Jeunet’s movie (except the “Alien” movie he did):
“Delicatessen”
“City Of Lost Children”
“Amelie”
“MicMacs”
If you like Gilliam, you’ll like these!
vincent cannata says:
July 20th, 2010 at 7:30 am
I remember them, “The Whole Of The Moon”, I think, was their big song, and the guy from World Party used to be in that band!
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 20th, 2010 at 11:30 am
PS – I do accept the mission VC. Downloaded Micmacs already and will start on the others too.
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 20th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
Just read that properly also, have seen Delicatessen, BRILLIANT film.
Fag says:
July 21st, 2010 at 4:11 am
Basically fuck you.. your site is shit.. I used to respect you.. I love your radio show.. I live in Arizona.. I am on probation and can’t leave this bullshit state.. I have no desire to send you any fucking money.. I have no money anyhow.. I’m sick of this fucking bullshit.. hard drives are cheap.. learn to use them.. buy a couple.. go collect cans for a couple weeks that’s what I fucking do.. and I don’t bother you with contributing to me.. wtf is wrong with you … seriously .. you guys are something a little less then revolutionary.. dare I say revodouceiary?
EH says:
July 21st, 2010 at 4:22 am
Basically I am pretty sure you are nothing but corporate whores with a lot of money.. I appreciate a lot of the things you produce.. but I don’t like who you are.. so you want money.. or else what? we have to find this shit otherwise? nay you are fake. seriously fake.. I am sick of assholes trying to pretend to be revolutionary and being fake as hell.. thanks fuckheads
EH says:
July 21st, 2010 at 4:26 am
seriously I’m sick of fuckers like you pretending to be revolutionary and doing shit but some stupid show on public radio.. why don’t you mature in your revolution.. proly cause you are part and parcel of the fuckheads you pretend to hate
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 21st, 2010 at 4:41 am
Oooh, a dissenter in the ranks….

What fun.
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 21st, 2010 at 4:46 am
PS – this site hardly screams GIVE US YOUR MONEY.
CHOHRA says:
July 21st, 2010 at 9:46 am
I’d like to know if you had a french version to the site ?
CHOHRA says:
July 21st, 2010 at 9:55 am
J’aimerais savoir s’il y aune version en français de la cmptabilité en anglais ?
EH says:
July 21st, 2010 at 3:32 pm
there was a french version of this site.. but they took it down even though negativland are French. They changed it when the US invaded Afghanistan. “Over the Edge” used to be “Over the French Edge”, they changed it briefly to “Over Freedoms Edge” to keep up with their contemporaries such as McDonalds Fin Dining restaurant. They never changed it back for fear that Obama might suspect them as whistle blowers and have them assassinated.
Canadian says:
July 21st, 2010 at 5:05 pm
Merde
EH says:
July 21st, 2010 at 5:45 pm
BTW the show about Warhol was great
phalaris says:
July 21st, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Viva la Smear
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 22nd, 2010 at 6:55 am
Sometimes I feel I am about the only person to see Warhol as nothing but a pretentious starfucking wannabe.
Happy Hazard says:
July 22nd, 2010 at 7:01 pm
In case you’re interested, we have begun again posting new OTEs to the OTE page here. We are trying to revamp this whole website so there may be future posting delays, but some recent shows are now up.
WAFFLES says:
July 23rd, 2010 at 2:37 am
Thanks Happy that makes me….glad.
vincent cannata says:
July 23rd, 2010 at 7:14 am
Now, how ’bout a new LAST CHAPER? This is the 1138th comment!
Hermy says:
July 23rd, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Delighted to see new shows being posted again.
Long may it continue.
Well done.
vincent cannata says:
July 23rd, 2010 at 1:01 pm
Loved Mr. Narco’s edit..can’t wait for pt.2!
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 23rd, 2010 at 2:07 pm
OTE back in full stereo high fidelity glory. All hail Mr Hazard.

New message board, or at very least new message board chapter would be a welcome part of any proposed revamp.

I have emailed C Elliot Friday on this matter …

Thank you -enter name- for your query by electronic mail system. Here at Howland Island, we consider you, -enter name- to be one of our most important customers and always value your feedback.

-enter name-, I have thought over your questions and feel that the best way to address them is to continue purchasing products from the Universal Media Netweb for the foreseeable future. Of course the UMN is the ONLY source for all your intellectual and leisure needs. There is no other possibility.

Thank you for your continued support.

Mr C Elliot Friday.
Circular File says:
July 23rd, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Receptacle Programming is looking through one other’s trash for another’s achievement.
phalaris says:
July 23rd, 2010 at 6:32 pm
I may implement the first 4 editions as oblique tarot-like results on an IRC bot. Thank you for that link. =]
phalaris says:
July 23rd, 2010 at 7:00 pm
Come to think of it, this website could have a little auto strategerie generator to suggest how to approach a phone call to ote. Or perhaps rehash the ole wheel o’ fortune days using themes for NEW IDEAS in art.

Ideas are ideas. We can meditate in order to dive into the infinite ocean of creative thought. Within a medium an appeal to produce sensation, a representation of sensation, a message or a recursive fractal collage of past ideas can create a new metaphor for creative subjectivity.

Once the medium attracts a new technology to represent the same ideas, then it becomes an abstract of the medium which is NEW or ART.

Now we know the ignorant, uneducated or just plain youthful innocence creates the highest impact to mind blowing concepts. Those who have seen it all will find the past in everything “new” art that emerges.

We find that innocence and purity bring the best response to art and the process of growing up, maturing and growing old.

Some find this by taking drugs which propel them into a perpetual, if albeit temporary innocence and purity of insight. As we all find out that the real new art is inside us all. It is the immediate experience that still can not be portrayed to its fullest, in the sense that the artist wishes to convey with or without tricks and illusion.

Commercialism is the end of it. Money obscures the purity. Optimism is difficult after a lifetime of pessimism outweighs moment to moment scrutiny in the search for novelty.

I only hope that the past can be experienced much quicker for newer generations who would otherwise fall into corporate non-creation of today. This could mean the apparent end of history from this viewpoint.

For now… I would keep social awareness on the edge. A constant reminder of how ridiculous the attractors of attention have evolved away from a humanistic essence. And yet there is so much out there which has purity and universal harmony. I would love to remain ahead of the curve on educating the human future instead of contributing to the propaganda engine which does nothing but instill stupidity and fear.

Chemicals or meditation. Brain chemistry is fascinating. Social interaction, cosmic attractors and collisions, neurological inter-chatter, the birdsong and the amount of moment humanity spends in their neocortex. The spider weaves the web of time. Humans are nature. Art is an observation, communicating with our frontal lobes.. it’s all in your head.

-phal
Phineas Narco says:
July 24th, 2010 at 2:30 am
Hey folks! Head’s up on tomorrow night’s (Sunday’s) Plundercast Show… a blast from the past…. it will be a very hi-fidelity re-mastered recording of the 5-hour Over the Edge show ‘The Willsaphone Stupid Show Double CD Release Party’. broadcast on KPFA on Negativland’s radio show ‘Over the Edge’ originally in March of 1994.

This 5-hour extravaganza features MOST of Negativland: Don Joyce, David (The Weatherman) Wills and Mark Hosler (via phone) celebrating the then new double cd release of ‘The Willsaphone Stupid Show – Over the Edge Vol. 6′.

Includes a special Dream Seminar by Dr. Oslo Norway, exclusive Willsaphone Stupid Show cd outtakes and a SPECIAL appearance by The Wheel of Fortune as well as secrets from the history of The Weatherman and (over) half of the original lineup of The National Cynical Network (Ronald Redball and myself) years before it even existed!

The entire show will be on Plundercast. The first 3 hours of the show will also be simul-streamed on DFM out of Amsterdam.

Go to http://www.plundercast.net/ for full information and listen links!

Phin
Rich in Washington says:
July 25th, 2010 at 1:13 am
Hail Phineas Narco and all who sail with The National Cynical Network!
Living up here in Washingtron, it’s great to hear OTE sounding better than as if it was transmitting through two dixie cups and a piece of string.
Too bad KPFA can’t kick out their live stream at at least 128k stereo!
Rich in Washington says:
July 25th, 2010 at 1:22 am
and RE:The Weatherman thing. I’ve never felt that other Neg’landers riffing on him was anything more than gentle ribbing of an old friend, but can understand other’s sensitivity to it, especially since it’s on the radio, with live callers.
I remember listening to The Dumb, Stupid Come Out Line on cassette when it first came out with my brother who had also just come out and both of us thinking how much courage it took to do that show, especially in the 80′s.
Phineas Narco says:
July 25th, 2010 at 4:58 am
Thanks Rich! I remember recording this on my hi-fi vcr right off the headphone jack up at KPFA at the time so the fidelity puts you right there in the mix. Yeah it’s too bad KPFA has such a lo-fi podcast of the OTE shows. Ah well. Keeping the faith here in the Bay Area! Thanks again!

Phin
phalaris says:
July 25th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
I’m sorry I didn’t say this earlier, but I do love you IndependentWoman InspirationWarrior . Your message has stuck with me and you are a shining bright reminder of our constant social climate and its dark semi-hidden secrets that are not so hidden anymore. I see too many dummies with their cockbrain spewing out the most ill-fated, rib poking, dominant spooge that I’ve always tried to steer a conversation away from, if possible. And I do choose not to opt for sexual connotation. That always ruined me in my most sensitive moments of mindsploration when past friends would pair off with their circle jerk mentality just so they thought they were preparing themselves for society. Sure… you get enough of it in the media; in movies.. Call me a pussy, but it’s a dead-end to fresh conversation.
Thank you.. I learn a lot from you.

-phal
Phineas Narco says:
July 25th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
Playing pre-show right now on http://www.plundercast.net. OTE show starts in about an hour. Played Happy Heroes as well as Formula For Success before.
surrealkiller says:
July 26th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
Good greetings, UMN’ers.
So what’s up here at the site? Is all well again?
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I emailed snugganut a big order for mp3′s over a month ago but never hoid back as to how I was to proceed. And there still seems to be problems with snatching up the free mp3 downloads offered here on the site. Did get a few. In fact, listened to ‘Sparks’ the other day at work in its entireity – great broadcast, Don. Thanks.
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On an aside, in the interest of sharing sound with loyal OTE/ anti-copyright listeners, any chance of posting here on the site an array of mp3′s of as many of the source audio files as possible? Such as the radio/ tv promos that pepper the various collages broadcasted. I sure would like the to acquire those for my personal library, too. Or perhaps I could purchase from you an mp3 compilation of them?
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Please let me know if that were possible, and what’s up with buying a slew of the OTE mp3′s offered here.
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Thanks!
~Peace~
sk
pj says:
July 28th, 2010 at 6:58 am
“We have this odd shape because we decided to [build a boat that would travel] slow….Speed is so passé. What is the luxury for tomorrow? One of them is time.” –
http://www.janusthinking.com/2010/03/the-future-of-luxe-according-to-a-leading-lambda-personality/

If time is a “luxury”, should wasting it become mandatory? What about stealing it? Sometimes reading marketing porn is like scanning through the Dead Sea scrolls, finding a map to Atlantis, and realizing we evolved from Sea Monkeys and turned into Keanu Reeves. There really is nothing that can’t be marketed in some way.
vincent cannata says:
July 30th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
“The well will never run dry.”
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 30th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
I don’t think time can ever be truly ‘wasted’. Even the most boring moments serve to make the exciting ones that bit more exciting. Then again, reading any marketing bumf has got to be the most effective way to waste it.

I just bin it all.
B.Priest says:
August 1st, 2010 at 2:15 pm
“If time was a drug,that would mean that big-ben is a huge needle injecting it into the sky” chris morris
Happy Hazard says:
August 2nd, 2010 at 12:27 am
Re: 1138
If we started another last chapter, this wouldn’t be the last chapter anymore. But it is! There will be no more no matter how long it takes to download.
Happy Hazard says:
August 2nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
Re: 1159
Surakiller,
Send us your email at “Contact” link. We’ll try to work it out.

I don’t have time to record all sample elements/bits to web. Sorry.
Moody says:
August 2nd, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Im back from beyond…
phalaris says:
August 4th, 2010 at 3:43 am
Let’s start a “Fuck Up Facebook Day” where everyone you know changes their Facebook name to something random and changes their email to some random email like ‘goofy@yahoo.com’ or whatever. Pass this along to your friends and tweet about it… Let’s make August 2010 a data mining nightmare!

Also, never put your real birth date in social networking sites. Your true identity can be stolen quite easily that way.
Phineas Narco says:
August 4th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
Hey thought you guys would like to know: heads up for tomorrow night at 10pm EST on Plundercast I’m streaming ‘The RedNarc Phone Show’ from March 1994 on Over the Edge with Don Joyce, myself and Ronald Redball. Go to http://www.plundercast.net for full details.

If you are on soundcloud and want to get or listen to the first half of the show go to: http://bit.ly/97fPkm

Cya then!

Phin
PRUD'HOMME Claude says:
August 5th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
Hello,
I’am french and my question is :
Does it exist a site where can I see a maximum of cover art for the first album of Negativland and is it possible to put a picture of my own LP and CD ?
Thanks
PhantomGuitarist says:
August 5th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Claude,

A few of us had already planned to create a similar space on the internet for what you are suggesting. We never seemed to get round to it. I might start one, and post up the cover art for my own copy of the debut album. Think that could be a pretty cool site.

If I do get it together then I’ll of course post details on here, or if anyone else wants to beat me to it, well, you know….
vincent cannata says:
August 5th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Hey, indi!
Sounds like you had a ‘way-passed-MY-bedtime’ kind of part while you were in Vegas! Glad you had a good time. I’ve been deep in the ‘re-write’ trenches, so, I probably wouldn’t have much fun.

Good to see you back here, though.
Keep on keepin’ on…… loved that artwork on your site!
phalaris says:
August 6th, 2010 at 1:29 am
Hi.. I don’t know if this has as much merit as it should but I listen to Thom Hartmann often and lately he recently talked about how the rise in sexual activity upon minors has some pretty direct connection to pornography and how easily available it is to youth on the internet. He mentioned that he believes a .xxx domain should become reality and that pornography that is not on that domain should become illegal. I fully agree with this. Pornography has always been around since the invent of art back to Hindu art, mainly sculpture that depicted an “idea” shape of women or more aptly put by V. S. Ranamanachandra as an exaggeration of the gracefulness of the female form which is far from the reality of human anatomy. What this does, culturally is formulate an idea that a male dominated culture wishes to see in order to feel aroused.

We can see this vision unfold throughout history and morphed into the typified model female in media. I can remember as a youth being startled at how easy it was to get hold of advertisements from Macy’s ads or Fredricks of Hollywood catalogs showing women in lingerie posing for a line of clothing… a huge marketing ploy.

Now, it may seem impossible to enforce laws that would eradicate porn from the mainstream of internet traffic, but I do think that glorifying a .xxx domain might force the dick-head mentality into another realm. It’s a really sensitive issue, in that 10 years ago you could go to Whitehouse.com and find actual pornography for free. How do we as a culture keep pornography in the closet? Porn IS everywhere but we HAVE to set some guidelines as to how our kids are subjected to this kind of fantasy world.

The argument on Thom’s show was that sex education guidelines in public schools allow children to view sex as something more idealistic than the reality of educating youth with the understanding about human anatomy from a start and up to the understanding of responsible human relationships. I find this to be important education to instill in our future generations rather than let the fantasy world overtake our humanity.

I think a push for segregation of sexual acts from the dream of free information over our networks is essential. we need to start being vigilant and realize that porn is not reality. It does not show how people engage in healthy relationships and how real human sexuality and communication should be allowed beyond taboo. What needs to happen is people to open their hearts to communicating with each other about reality. Not sexual fantasy.

It’s REALLY difficult right now because sexual taboo is finally getting out there and it’s reaching the wrong crowds. It is proliferating in the wrong mindsets and perpetuates dark fetishist momentum that leads us nowhere as a global society that is scared of liberating itself from powers that control them.

I’m all for a .xxx domain and keeping those who wish to indulge in their fetish to remain in one separate state to either stagnate or change for the better of our own minds. Humans need to voice their opinions about the rift between true human contact and the projections we make upon ourselves until the whole thing explodes into their current hatred toward information exchange.

Some say the internet was invented for porn. But I think the internet was invented for greater goods. Information, Fair open market commerce and social connections unhooked from the pressures of sexual domination. We ought to pay more attention to our actions and figure a better structure of this before things become more ugly than they seem.

That’s my rant for now….

-phal
phalaris says:
August 6th, 2010 at 7:19 am
That was the most bizarre OTE I have ever fallen asleep to and dreamt about while hearing it in the background of my mind in my dreams. All I remember is walking toward the Presidio with the Golden Gate Bridge in the background and being told to tell everything and not hide anything.
vincent cannata says:
August 6th, 2010 at 7:36 am
re:1176 They show change the porn sites to ‘ .CUM’.
No, ‘.XXX’ is better; I just wanted to tell the joke first!
vincent cannata says:
August 6th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
Reaching the end of Wobbly’s ‘disertation/podcast’; VERY GOOD!
For as little Rz, Negs, & Zappa, he covers tons of others who are barely remembered! It’s SOOOOO GOOD!
vincent cannata says:
August 6th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Oh, indi:
Got to see “The Runaways” movie: NOT BAD!

They cut back on Mr. Fowley’s ‘slimy-ness’, and concentrate on Joan & Cheri, and they do a pretty good job.
phalaris says:
August 6th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
I LOVE BABY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQCp5ORgxSA
phalaris says:
August 6th, 2010 at 8:23 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XHYmoQ7IJ8
phalaris says:
August 6th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
Does anyone here know what the track is on last night’s OTE from around 1:40 – 2:45 with the electric guitar and the guitar sample slowed down and the glissando sweeping oscillator synthesize? This is what I woke up to and thought it was the most amazing sound which made music to my dreams.

-phal
phalaris says:
August 7th, 2010 at 3:43 am
oops, about 1:40 to about 2:15
MentalMan says:
August 8th, 2010 at 3:39 am
RE:1172 Prud’homme
Hey ! I’m not the only French guy here !
(I’ll stick to English for now).
Where are you in France and how long have you listened to the show ? (9:00 AM… argh)
PhantomGuitarist says:
August 8th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
Vince, I had never heard of that before, just not on my radar. But I will check it out.

PS – loved MicMacs.
PhantomGuitarist says:
August 8th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
speaking of movies about Vegas, did anyone see the short Pixar film being screened before Toy Story 3, Day and Night? Great use of Martin Luther King speech in that, and one of the best short animated films I have ever seen.
PhantomGuitarist says:
August 8th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
Lady Gaga makes my ears BLEED.
phalaris says:
August 9th, 2010 at 12:18 am
MicMacs was great. Had a pretty straight forward storyline but the references to big business in war dealing with the struggle of impoverish countries and how susceptible they are toward invading occupation was great content, especially from a European point of view. I usually have to remind people that dark skinned folk in Europe are NOT African-Americans (including the slang people use) and the history behind the more acceptable melting pot of Europe is quite different than what is seen from a US perspective.

-phal
vincent cannata says:
August 9th, 2010 at 9:03 am
Been a Pixar-lover since I first saw “Luxo Jr.”, back in the old “Tourney Of Animation” days…. They also showed bits of something the creators of “Wallace & Gromitt” did called “Rex The Runt”:
picture “Sienfeld” written by Monty Python and performed by Gumby, and you’ve got “Rex The Runt”.
You can see it on Hulu:
http://www.hulu.com/rex-the-runt

Each episode is only 10 minutes long, so ENJOY!
frnkndafunk says:
August 10th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Negativland, it doesn’t seem like there’s anything I could say. Maybe some hand gestures and exaggerated movements can describe how I feel about these sounds. NO But shit, I copied Our Favorite Things DVD from Casa Video independent rental place (can you call a rental business a store ?) So let’s see A big part of me doesn’t want to get into petty arguments. So this is from that slightly smaller part of me, If you spend time analyzing Lady GaGa…you spent more time on the songs then she did. People often forget that animation takes 1000times longer to make then to watch and sometimes the jokes end up out dated before the art is viewed. The Boondocks is amazing to me, how does something take years to produce like that but still be relevant and in their language “hot” ? Every time you think somebody’s post on a forum like this is wrong or stupid you have forgotten the similarities between you and the other person. I mean shit you both like negativland how different could you possibly be ? You both eat carbon and shit carbon. As long as you don’t commit suicide, we’re cool !
PhantomGuitarist says:
August 10th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
1200 posts. Wow.

I think Poker Face took a lot longer to write than anyone could ever imagine. And she is surely just what Madonna will be in a few years time.

Over here Danni Minogue has her own reality TV show. That says pretty much everything there is to say about the world we are now living in.

Vince, check out Comic Strip Presents if you haven’t already, it’s pretty good.
vincent cannata says:
August 10th, 2010 at 6:21 pm
re:1200:
But, of course I know of The Comic Strip!
In the US, we saw ‘em AFTER we saw “The Young Ones”!
My wife loves “A Fist Full Of Travellers’ Checks” and my fave is the one with the song, “Boots”!
They have a few of them on Hulu, also; wonder how YOUNG French & Saunders were back then?
PhantomGuitarist says:
August 11th, 2010 at 9:39 am
We’re all dead down here…

Vince, I thought you would have heard of Comic Strip. My fave is Bad News. The afterlife sounds like a real blast. I am safe with the knowledge that I will be resurrected along with 143,999 other good Jehovas Witnesses.
vincent cannata says:
August 11th, 2010 at 9:41 am
Speaking of cartoons: WATCH THIS:
http://www.observer.com/2010/wall-street/todays-must-see-animated-capitalist-takedown-rsa-and-david-harvey

I learned more about capitalism from the 10 MINUTE CARTOON than I have in my 42 year of existence on this planet!
vincent cannata says:
August 11th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
Boy, this site is HOT!
http://comment.rsablogs.org.uk/videos/
PhantomGuitarist says:
August 11th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
I think I’ve said it before, but that image up there could just have easily been a boy. Or would that suggest a Catholic priest tendency? Although looking back, besides the baby one all the Mertz ads have females in them so….

Think the pharma companies tend to target their drugs towards women though (the exception being Viagra/Cialis etc) because women are more likely to be on drugs than men, well actually perhaps not, but women ARE more likely to visit a doctor than men.

As for porn, I think perhaps some men watch it not because they particularly like watching women being degraded, but because their imagination isn’t always enough to get them off, so they need other stimulus. Personally I’d rather not watch anything too extreme, but I get the feeling that indichick is of the view that pretty much ALL porn is degrading. Well, I disagree with that, but I do agree that it is perhaps easier to dismiss such things when you’ve grown up with your sexual organs dangling down between your legs.

Woah man, how could that happen when we both like Happy the Harmonica????

PS Vince, have bookmarked that site, it looks the bees knees…
vincent cannata says:
August 11th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
indi,
As for as i’m concerned, it only took one John Lennon title I was when I was a kid to know the truth, “Woman Is The Nigger Of The World”. I was only 11 when I read the title of that song in a Beatle book that show solo albums; the lyrics were right there on the cover.
vincent cannata says:
August 11th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
more:
The lyrics said, “Think about it, do something about it.”
vincent cannata says:
August 12th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
As a guy with a thing; well…. ME:
It’s always been a ‘underdog’ mentality.
When I’ve tried to watch nature programs, (especially that GOD DAMBED “Merecat Manor”) I tend to really get upset when a so-called ‘runt of the litter’ gets screwed out of life, Three years ago, we found a stray cat in front of our house; small and thin as a rail. We took it in, but it had awful breath, and the other cat hissed at it something horribly. We took it to the vet, and not only did most of her teeth have to be removed, but it was already pregnant…. I mean the poor thing couldn’t cave been more than a year old. Of course, this was when a had good credit, so we nursed her back to health, and gave her a home. She still hisses at everybody, but at night, she comes around to us, and now, feels safe.
This ‘cruelty to the weak’ thing is so justified by those GOD DAMBED nature shows, it’s almost makes a case AGAINST NATURE!!!!
Thus, that ‘we are all fucked’ feeling really starts to kick in.
vincent cannata says:
August 13th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Jeepers!
Sex with a member of Negativland?????

Just the thought of it…… then again, I’m sure my wife gets the same question asked about me!

Well, it’s looks like it’s just you and me, PG!
Keep on rockin’!
Speaking of:
http://www.gohomeproductions.co.uk/
Rich in Washington says:
August 14th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Hey, I know this is entirely off subject, but…
Has anyone been following Jon “Wobbly” Leidecker’s Variations podcast?
His last installment had a brief mention of OTE and he played a snippet from an episode from 1980(!), with Negativland as ‘guests’. It sounded really interesting. I’d love to hear more of those really old episodes.
PhantomGuitarist says:
August 14th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
Hey Rich, totally ON subject there mate.

Haven’t listened into the Variations thing, but meant to after hearing Wobbly interviewing Mr Joyce on OTE about a year or so ago. Will check it out over the next few days.
MentalMan says:
August 14th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
Izzy… can’t you really give all those AllArtRadio shows sub-titles ???
Or at least number them…please
processedbeef says:
August 15th, 2010 at 12:31 am
Rich in WA- Where are the variations series posted, i have one or two..

Also hows it going? Wanted to make it up there but didnt work out this summer.
Next summer road trip to Northwest skateparks and possibly more sound collabs with the Weatherman. Gonna try and find some gigs on the way..
vincent cannata says:
August 15th, 2010 at 8:48 am
For Wobbly’s history show:
http://rwm.macba.cat/en/curatorial/
Hope he makes more, since #5 ends with the U2 lawsuit!
Rich in Washington says:
August 15th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Hi ProBeef!
Let me know when, if, what.
I’ll contact you offlist.
Would love to do another radio show with you and Weatherdude.
Rich in Washington says:
August 15th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Thanks, Vincent!
The MACBA site makes linking somewhat hard and I think there’s no way to subscribe to the whole series as a podcast. You can just subscribe to the individual segments, but not the whole thing serially. The linked PDFs are worth downloading too, as they have all the info and such.

I was asked to give a presentation on sampling, history and law at a digital culture course at a local university and ran into Wobbly’s presentation. After a bit, I purposely avoided listening to it out of fear I would consciously copy something for my presentation and also out of fear I would feel completely lame on he subject. Afterwords, I did and was amazed at the length and breadth of Leidecker’s research. Yeah, mine was lame by comparison, but I did OK.
At least I showed them young whippersnappers that it all started considerably earlier than Beastie Boys and James Brown samples. (Hikes trousers up to ribcage, shuffles out of room).
MentalMan says:
August 15th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
To Happy Hazzard
Pleeeease, we had enough of ArtRadio. It’s really getting boring. Don’t you have other projects in store ? Come on ! Pick about any subject and I can provide good material from my huge record collection & archives :
Animals, Disasters, Bananas, Beatles(too late!), Cities, Science, BodyParts, Books, Circus, ClassicalMusic, Clothes, Colors, ComputerGames, Cops, DaysOfTheWeek, Death, Devil, Doctors, Drugs, Dreams, TheEurovisionContext, Fire, FlexiDiscs, Flowers, Food, Seasons, God, BenefitRecords, Guns, Holidays, Horoscopes, NationalHymns, Indians, Army, Jingles, Mail, PipeOrgans, MusicBoxes, Meddleys, MentalDisorders, Money, Monsters, Moon, Musicals, Christmas, Sports, Numbers, MotionPictureSoundtracks, Phone, Parodies, Poverty, Politics, Prehistory, Racism, Robots, School, Shoes, Space, Splitting, StupidDances, Tattoos, Television, Time, Toys, Tools, MeansOfTransportation, Advertising, Magic, ForeignVersionsOfSongs, Weather, Women, Work, AnythingAboutSex and of course Suicide.
Interested?
phalaris says:
August 15th, 2010 at 11:18 pm
gee, I think all of those subjects have been covered in the history of Over The Edge… Soon there should be more archives of past shows. Even the classics from the 80′s where you hear all of radio at its most dramatic and enthusiastic. Perhaps this is new realm for you and many others to collaborate and bring forth quality rehashing of the old topic du jours. I say, put together something and email Hap a link to your creations. I’m sure you’ll get some air time and the more interest we show that we have over Over The Edge, the more he might be willing to venture into those fun times.

-phal
phalaris says:
August 16th, 2010 at 3:16 am
Great show with the Weatherman, BTW, Rich. Really enjoyed hearing him doing his ART.
processedbeef says:
August 16th, 2010 at 4:25 am
actually phalaris, that was mostly me. pressing buttons is tough..
PhantomGuitarist says:
August 16th, 2010 at 7:47 am
I always liked the Halloween and Christmas OTE. And any one that collabs with Puzzling Evidence is usually pretty cool.

All Art Radio isn’t doing it much for me I must admit, too much Warhol and Cage for my liking.

How about another Another UFO?

I like phalaris’ idea, perhaps a few of us Negativboarders could put together our own podcast/show?

PS – Happy, we may sometimes complain, but you know it’s always very much appreciated. Keep on rockin in the free world.
phalaris says:
August 16th, 2010 at 11:52 am
err sorry ’bout that pb. Do you keep in contact with David? If so I’d like it if you could pass on a message to him from my brother and I. We hung out a few times and I’d just like to know how he is.
processedbeef says:
August 17th, 2010 at 1:33 am
No worries. He’s good and pretty active lately, archiving on the “dumb” page.
phalaris says:
August 17th, 2010 at 1:47 am
yes, I’ve noticed.
Happy Hazard says:
August 17th, 2010 at 7:56 am
re: 1224

For the most part, no subtitles on All Art Radio shows. And they are not to be numbered. They are dated which, along with the individual show descriptions, should be enough for collectors to distinguish one from another.

But it’s not for collectors. Not first. All Art Radio, produced by myself and The Universal Media Netweb, is the ultimate radio attempt to merge all art into a single mix of art sounds. Jump in anywhere. There is no preferred sequence of All Art shows. In the end, (which is coming soon, and I don’t mean All Art Radio) you only need any few to get the whole point, but you can never get the whole point of art, so it continues until it doesn’t.

Thus, radio, art, and philosophical obscurities about them both are comingled in a live audio format that ain’t dead yet, and within it, this elaborate and endlessly elaborated production of outstanding aesthetic instruction and varied inspirations, through they’re mundanely regular appearance in common free media, can become a regular partner in your weekly attempt to be suitably entertained and enlightened by mass media.

Don’t try to stop me.
I’m crazy.
Rich in Washington says:
August 17th, 2010 at 11:53 am
Hap,
I once read somewhere that when Herb Alpert – yes, THAT Herb Alpert, that watermark of inexplicably popular bad taste – learned that his latest album was to ship platinum even before it was released,he was depressed and dismayed that it no longer mattered what he did anymore. The public would buy it if it was good or bad. He was pulled by his public who knew he was going to keep churning out Spanish Fleas and Lonely Bulls for the next two decades. That was his cross.
I enjoy Over The Edge no matter what. It’s always more entertaining than anything on commercial radio and much more so than the constant ringing tone in my ears.
And I think if you listened to what people want you to do, it wouldn’t be art anymore. It would be Whipped Edge and Other Delights by Happy Hazard and the Tijuana Booper. I think that once art bows to public demand, adulation or market forces, it ceases to be art.
If All Art Radio ceases to be, I hope it’s a voluntary thing and can only mean there’s art going on somewhere else in NegOverEdgeland.
PhantomGuitarist says:
August 17th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
Well, the LAST CHAPTER is in the process of being written, by all of us on here it would seem….

In agreement with Rich, for it’s faults, for me OTE is hands down the BEST thing I’ve heard on any radio for a long long time. There just is really nothing like it out there.
Donald Dunbar says:
August 17th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
Happy Hazard says:
August 17th, 2010 at 7:56 am
re: 1224

For the mist part, no subtitles on All Arm Radio shows us they are numbered. And they are not to be numbered. They are indicted which, along with the individual show decapitations, should be enough for collectors to disinvite one from another one.

But it’s not form collectors. Not fist. Alm Art Radio, pre-diced by myself and The Universal Media Netweb, is the ultimate radio attempt to merge all art into a shingle mix of part sounds. Jump in anywhere. There is no all ultimate preferred sequence of All Art Ultimate shows. In the end, (which is coming, soon, and I don’t mean All Art Radio) you only need all any few to get the whole art point, but you can never got the whole point of art, so it contributes until it don’t.

Thus, radial, arms, and philosophical obscurities about them both are coming-and-led in a live audio format that wasn’t dead yet, and within it, this

elaborate and elaborate and endlessly elaborate / elaborated production of celibate, outstanding aesthetic mimetic instruction and varied inspirations, through air, they’re mundanely regularly appeared elaborate in common free median,

can becalm a regular partner in your weekly attempt to be suitably entertained and enlightened by miss media.

Don’t try to stop me.
I’m crazy.

[I fixed it for you]
MentalMan says:
August 17th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
RE HappyHazard 1237
Right, sorry I asked. Hope OTE doesn’t end too soon.
If you have other subjects in sight, please let me know.
Respect
Rich in Washington says:
August 20th, 2010 at 11:14 am
I wonder how many hipster/weirdo music DJs played Justin Bieber this week*?
Was remarking about how funny it is that techniques employed over 20 years ago by people like John Oswald or Negativland and others have crossed over into the mainstream. Part of it – I think – is the virtual ubiquitiousness of the technology compared to a few decades ago and another part is I think something akin to the 100 monkeys theory. I think for better or for worse, the social mutants are a decade or two ahead of the herd when it comes to ideas or art.
I don’t know. That’s my half-assed theory.

*for those that may not know, there’s this amusing Justin Bieber Slowed Down 800% meme going around.
http://soundcloud.com/shamantis/j-biebz-u-smile-800-slower
The track is actually quite beautiful. I played it on my latest show, then noticed quite a few DJs I follow did too.
vincent cannata says:
August 20th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
“All Burroughs”!!!

sweet!
“Most distasteful thing I ever stood still for.”
Hermy says:
August 24th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Firstly, really enjoying the Burroughs episode.

Secondly, has anyone else had trouble downloading recent shows?
I can’t download OTE August 6th cause no link appears when I press the Free Download button.
And OTE August 12th won’t complete it’s download for some strange reason.
vincent cannata says:
August 25th, 2010 at 11:44 am
I ‘do it’ through iTunes….. so, no. No problems here!
Hermy says:
August 25th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
Yes, me thinks it’s iTunes from now on.
Thanks Vincent.

BTW, is that the kpfa feed or do Negativland have one also?
Greg Falkingham says:
August 25th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
My hometown continues to be a fountain of awesome.

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/artdesign/story/2010/08/24/art-attack-toronto.html
Norah Barnacle says:
August 26th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
Yep! I read the last chapter from the beginning.instead of writing my paper on copyright and creativity. it got interesting really when -girl- joined, and so I’m pissed that she bowed out august 12th. Well, she’s given you guys the balls to think – are you going to run with it? I was blown away not only by her amazing intelligent and insightful thoughts, but also by her patience and kindness. Cmon guys – just cos Missisliffy has left the building doesn’t meant you can’t do a bit yourselves or else it’ll be PKD’s Martian Time Slip and ‘gubble gubble’ rather than emergent cnsciousness.
Norah Barnacle says:
August 26th, 2010 at 5:55 pm
maybe thats emergent cuntsciousness
phalaris says:
August 29th, 2010 at 12:27 am
its ridiculously boring what this place has become
PhantomGuitarist says:
August 29th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
The sad reality of it is that Negativland will soon be Negativover. And this IS the LAST CHAPTER. And the generation of twitter and facebook just have NOTHING to say. Do we mourn this demise of the popularity of the written word. Should we yearn for the days when publishing a book could result in death threats? When putting out a record got you sued? When playing a festival and going on too late caused you to get the power cut and made you look like an ar… oh wait that was Friday at Reading…..

We have had some discourse on wimmens issues, maybe it’s time for those of us with sexual organs OUTSIDE our bodies to have a chance. So what’s the topic? Penises? Sperm? Penises without Sperm? Catholic priests and their penchant for choir boys? Homo-erotic sub-plots in crap 80′s movies? Circumcision?

I don’t know.
vincent cannata says:
August 29th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
PG,
I’ve been watching these BBC docs : Synth , Prog Rock, Heavy Metal Britannia & the Kroutrock doc: these are quite good, and yet, they make music seem quite dead!
Have they made more of these?
PhantomGuitarist says:
August 30th, 2010 at 3:58 am
Think that’s about them all Vincent. Yes, I felt the same way when watching those docs. It’s like all the good stuff is in the past.

There was a series shown here recently on BBC called I’m In A Rock N Roll Band, which looked at the different roles in bands like singer, drummer, guitarist etc. Those were pretty interesting also.
Rich in Washington says:
August 30th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Cheer up, Lastlisters.
I hear that Evolution Control Committee’s new album is being held up due to pressing issues RE: uncleared samples, so the war’s not really over, just obscured (like all our wars of late).

Also, the slowed down Justin Bieber thing got weird, because his label didn’t seem to care and the Bieb himself seemed to be amused by it, but then, the (re)creator wasn’t trying to get it pressed to CD or sell it.
PhantomGuitarist says:
August 31st, 2010 at 3:55 am
Looking forward to the ECC album. October it’s meant to ‘drop’ as they say in hip hop.

Also wondering when the ‘download only’ stuff is to arrive. And IAIYHFM v2.
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 1st, 2010 at 11:10 am
Illegal Art Sample Challenge

http://illegal-art.net/shop#demo

just incase anyone fancies it.
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 1st, 2010 at 11:11 am
http://illegal-art.net/shop#news41

This would appear to be a better link.
vincent cannata says:
September 4th, 2010 at 11:13 am
HEY, indi!
Yeah, saw this article at Rigorous Intuition!
Well, like the drug & gun cartels…. why should they investigate THEMSELVES!
Let me ask you something: wifey & I are going to Austin this week. Can you suggest a few ‘cool places’?

Saw “End Of The Century” the other day. Never before did I hear about the Joey/Johnny ‘paradigm’: sheesh, the band is pretty much and analogy for America ‘herself’!

Nice hearing from you!
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 7th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
I thought that Massive Attack video was pretty tastefully done. Although it kinda detracts from the music, since what with her commentary and the visuals there’s no way you remember ANYTHING about the tune at all.

That site didn’t work for me, I had to trawl the interwebs to find a playable version of that video, so yes my friends censorship is alive and well.

Next week Skunk Anansie, Grinderman and the Vaselines all release new albums. AND Pantera re-issue Cowboys From Hell Remastered and with extra tracks etc etc etc. My broadband connection will be taking an extra beating in the next few days…
B.Priest says:
September 7th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
am looking forward to grindermans new album too, and swans and killing joke’s new ones
B.Priest says:
September 7th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
phalaris says:
September 7th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
Let’s Kill Mark Hoslelr
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 8th, 2010 at 9:58 am
The new GM video is one of the funniest things I’ve seen in ages.

re 1267: Now that’s not very nice is it?
phalaris says:
September 8th, 2010 at 7:06 pm
I just meant crucifixion without with open realm for martyr-dumb. You can moderate it, indie.

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/6057/screenshot20100908at356.png

Way to go, goog.
phalaris says:
September 8th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
indie, I thought you weren’t going to show yourself around here anymore… Do you feet attached?
phalaris says:
September 8th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
hahah… feet = feel . go figure… No Hard Feelings other than the truth
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 9th, 2010 at 2:53 am
http://www.jimcarrey.com

The perfect internet site.
Mr.Antagonism says:
September 9th, 2010 at 4:19 am
Say it aint so…over.Dead last.Glad to see that All In Your Head V.2 is finally comin’ down the mountain.Will it have the Dallas Show on one disc as promised?I hope so,I really do.Sometimes I just want to cut up tape with razor blades…am hopefully getting a reel to reel Friday.I need one.Friends keep telling me to get a sampler.I like the old way,I like to sweat over a hot mix.Bye.
Rich in Washington says:
September 13th, 2010 at 1:23 am
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2010/05/alt-text-nice-guys-guide/comment-page-3/
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 13th, 2010 at 7:15 am
Rich, that sums up my brother in law.

An inspired piece of writing.
vincent cannata says:
September 16th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
So cool!
Thanks for the quick response !

Now, after a quick writing spasm, I’m gonna read THIS article from SLATE: a king of ‘scientific explanation’ of the Lennon/McCartney creative relationship:
http://www.slate.com/id/2267004/
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 17th, 2010 at 5:31 am
Hey, not seen any of those movies. Think the LIAR comment had me stumped, there’s no reply to that when I haven’t met the guy. Feel like I shouldn’t get involved. No Lotion is a great name for an album.
vincent cannata says:
September 17th, 2010 at 11:09 am
Don (Izzy),
ABSOLUTE MYTHOLOGICAL HOAX’S

Great album title!
vincent cannata says:
September 17th, 2010 at 11:38 am
Here’s a beautiful new kind of ‘mash-up’
FULL METAL DISNEY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3woEDTUbDYg&feature=player_embedded
vincent cannata says:
September 18th, 2010 at 8:42 am
….and, in U2 news:
“How To Save The Music Industry”
by Paul McGuinness (u2′s long time manager).
…really?
http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/entertainment/articles/2010-08/13/gq-music-paul-mcguinness-on-music-piracy/file-sharing-on-spotify-and-piracy
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 19th, 2010 at 10:07 am
That Disney thing was great, and the Pulp Fiction one in the related bit. As for Mr McGuiness, well, what can I say????

He doesn’t seem to provide much of an answer to how the industry can be saved… Unless he means by ISP’s shopping their own customers and cutting them off, which doesn’t really seem to make all that much sense to me.

Don’t quite understand how he figures (and Bono too it seems) that the ISP’s fortunes are directly related to the misfortunes of the record labels. I’m pretty sure that broadband uptake would still have happened regardless of illegal file sharing. I know quite a few folks who use their broadband for updating facebook and watching youtube, with NO illegal sharing whatsoever.

There IS a problem for new upcoming artists, and it isn’t helped by illegal file sharing. But there always has been a problem, and that problem is the big record companies who sign up the lucky few and even then it’s not always that lucky to get signed. If the hype don’t pay off you’re dropped like a stone with a shitload of debt….

The industry has gorged on the back of hyped up bands and bought playlists for far too long, and now it’s throwing it’s dummy out the pram because the game is finally up. New ways of making money have to be found, but by the artists themselves, without the help of the record labels.
djfancylad says:
September 19th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
I’ve often ripped off Negativland and used some of your more famous recordings on my pirate radio show in DC. In fact I was trying to download one of your free broadcasts and it wouldn’t download! Anything to do with your site being hacked?
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 20th, 2010 at 5:38 am
The most interesting quote from a Negativland member I ever read was from Mark, basically saying that he thought folk that sample other sample-based artists were being lazy. So, sampling is OK, but if you sample folk like us then maybe not so OK…..

Indichick, I’ve NEVER had any illusions of making ANY money for my ‘art’. I’m lucky if over the 15 or so years (on and off) I’ve been doing it I’ve made £100. And that would have been swiftly eaten up by beer costs. Or split with other band members….. I do it for fun.

http://www.popcap.com/games/free/pvz

Training for your old age…
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 20th, 2010 at 5:53 am
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=28954

All I have to add is SURELY NOT!!!
John K. Fabiani says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 4:50 pm
Good Hello,

I just bought How Radio Was Done, 1968, all episodes, and I was able to pay for them without error! However, I now seem unable to download the content, or contact seeland at negativland dot com and receive a reply. I am hoping this can be resolved quickly as I am jonesing for that content.

From the netless tightrope of my minds eye,
John Fabiani
Tellows says:
September 23rd, 2010 at 3:45 am
@Vincent: I don´t get it?
vincent cannata says:
September 23rd, 2010 at 8:24 am
…and, what is it exactly that you do not get, Mr. Tellows?
vincent cannata says:
September 24th, 2010 at 11:02 am
I should’ve mentioned this back when you did the Lenny Bruce OTE: You know, I never knew “TONIGHT…. IS.. THRILL NIGHT!” was him, when I first heard “Helter Stupid”!
It wasn’t until years later, when the local Tower Records went out of business, and I got that 6- disc Bruce set, that I heard the track in full!
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 24th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
Well, I am 40% obscene. That’s disappointing.
sickened says:
September 28th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
and i will add – to mark

if you do anything to damage, further financially hurt me or do anything to mess wiht my child, i will report you to the federal authorities, and your parents, who currently financially support you. I will tell them just how you have lied, and I will out you further.

do not mess with me, or snugganut, or anyone else who is innocent and does not deserve your sociopathic abuses.

good wishes to all those who live above the law, and stay clean of this person.
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 29th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
This board has turned very dark all of a sudden.
Negativmailorderland says:
September 29th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
NOTE REGARDING PAID OTE DOWNLOADS FROM NEGATIVMAILORDERLAND:

They’re still messed up.

We are very sorry that the purchase scheme is fucked up, but it’s fucked up. We’re trying to fix it. Sales of OTE episodes via PayPal are supposed to be disabled at this point, so please refrain from ordering them until the site states all is AOK. Again, we’re working on it.
Rich in Washington says:
September 29th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
I was one of those that attempted to pay for and download a program, despite the numerous warnings not to.
While it was initially frustrating, I appreciated the quick response and refund.
I hope you can figure out some way soon. I would be more than happy to pay a few shekels for an OTE episode in high quality stereo, as we only get the string-and-dixie-cup sounding version up her via KPFA’s bandwidth-strangled stream (64k!).

Speaking of vintage OTE – did anyone catch the snippet of a really old episode on Jon Leidecker’s most recent Variations podcast? It sounded absolutely embryonic!
Would love to hear one of those really, really old episodes. I think I remember Don saying at one time that the oldest shows were only recorded on open reel and then only some parts dubbed off of those and preserved for posterity.
ianc2674 says:
September 30th, 2010 at 2:50 am
If I did a cover of Aluminium or Glass with my friend on acoustic guitar, how many hits would it
get on youtube?
vincent cannata says:
September 30th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
I’d say it depends on how controversial the images are…. if it’s just you and your friend….. I don’t know….
Someone once did a lovely You Tube video of “The Bottom Line” using the most disturbing abu-griab images he could find!

I don’t know how many hits it got, though.
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 30th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
Er… what? 982 posts? an indichick purge?

loads of my posts now suddenly ‘awaiting moderation’ the commonality being a mention of said indichick.

Will this even pass the new Negacensorshipland rules???

Write ANYTHING here, but not really anything….

Freedom of speech, just watch what you say… as Ice T once put it.

Seriously what is going on. I did read a particularly dodgy post a day or 2 ago, but is such a massive purge really required. There are now references to posts numbered 1230 and such even though we are at number 982, supposedly.

I am hoping this is some kind of new project and all will be revealed soon in a new download only release. The other explanation of blatant censorship just doesn’t really chime with the band that brought us Helter Stupid and OJ Simpson Kills Ron and Nicole.

Come on, seriously, explain. I for one am rather disturbed by all this.
PhantomGuitarist says:
September 30th, 2010 at 7:00 pm
Yes lets start covering.

Move along people, there’s nothing to see here….
Officer Barbrady.
Negativland says:
September 30th, 2010 at 10:09 pm
We are sorry, but the experiment has failed. We shall return.
Hermy says:
October 4th, 2010 at 10:37 am
What the hell is going on here?
dothque says:
October 20th, 2010 at 5:00 am
uhm…
how about positvisland?
tmspecialproject says:
October 22nd, 2010 at 11:12 am
HOLY SHIT I JUST MAINLINED SOME MERTZ MY EYES ARE SHAKING AND HAVE PINS AND NEEDLE SENSATIONS. Im gonna go copywrite infringe to fund my next fix.
peter says:
October 26th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
It would appear that Write Anything Here has been reactivated on an experimental basis. Enjoy.
PhantomGuitarist says:
October 27th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
Well, glad to see it back, I guess. Though it’s looking terrible if I do say so myself. Interesting.
vincent cannata says:
October 29th, 2010 at 11:46 am
Yes…. I’m here, too. Very strange, but I can’t stay away.
Happy Halloween everybody!
vincent cannata says:
October 29th, 2010 at 11:49 am
Oh, by the way, GREAT OTE this week…. near the end, who was that woman talking about seeing The Jam on a talkshow?
PhantomGuitarist says:
October 31st, 2010 at 10:57 am
So, no Halloween show this year? I love the Halloween shows some of my favourite OTE. Awaiting arrival of Scrambled Earth and Poptastic, SE in particular seems a really interesting concept. Can’t help suspecting ECC may have had a massive hand in that one though, given their recent interest in the Golden Record.

Vince, great to see you back.
Greg Falkingham says:
November 2nd, 2010 at 10:25 am
Utah Saints… U U U Utah Saints…

Really fun Over The Edge, and a nice excuse to pull out that first Utah Saints album. I wonder if that was an Atari ST they were working with?

Looking good right now for video games and other forms of interactive entertainment to be recognized as protected free speech. More to say on this once a decision has actually been rendered, I’m sure.
vincent cannata says:
November 5th, 2010 at 10:56 am
The ZAPPA- Roundhouse celebration will be STREAMING LIVE:
How cool is that!
http://www.roundhouse.org.uk/live
peter says:
November 5th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
PG: your order went out today. And nope, SE has no involvement from ECC that I am aware of.

The FANTASTIC new John Oswald LP, prePlexure, is now in stock and ready to go. It will be up on the site for sale ASAP. For those who don’t know, this is a re-working of his classic Plexure piece and is so freakin’ good that I played it three times in a row when the vinyl came in.
-NegaPeter
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 6th, 2010 at 10:39 am
Great news, cheers Peter. Old cynical me there, doubting the extra-terrestrial creation of the album. Considering I have seen a UFO I really should know better. Looking forward to receiving those items soon. Might be tempted to get the JO one too, but will it be available on that less traditional format Compact Disc? Not had access to a record player in a long time. Also, new ECC, IAIYH Vol 2 etc, any idea of when they might be released. Kinda makes sense to order things in a batch, lightens the amount of abuse I get from the missus.
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 6th, 2010 at 10:41 am
PS – wasn’t in any way implying that the order process was slow in my original post, was more a general comment to all the WAH’ers. All 3 of them
peter says:
November 6th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
I don’t think Fony will be releasing Oswald’s prePlexure on CD, no. Reckon it’s thick black plastic only. I’ll get the order link up later today.

ECC is having – you guessed it – difficulties at the pressing plant. Not sure where that stands at the moment but I will update if I learn anything.
vincent cannata says:
November 7th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Thanks for the update…. and remembering we’re still here. Get rockin’ with THE NEW!
Killer “Greggery Peckery” from the Zappa weekend. Hope y’all got to see it!
Rich in Washington says:
November 8th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
Hey Peter,
Are there going to be other Seeland and affiliated items on vinyl in the near future?
Would love more stuff available as such.
peter says:
November 9th, 2010 at 10:12 am
Glad you are wanting more vinyl… at the very least, the first Neg LP (from 1980) is going to be re-pressed on vinyl with completely new hand-made covers. That’s in progress now and should be ready by 2019. Beyond that, there are no plans, but vinyl is definitely on our minds.
Rich in Washington says:
November 10th, 2010 at 6:04 am
The first three albums would make a cool limited edition vinyl box set. Love those three. Would love to have them on LP again.
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 10th, 2010 at 10:50 am
Even I agree with that one, would be a very cool set. I like my Big 10-8 Place CD with the bark etc a lot. Still, vinyl is pointless in a house with young kids. Now, if I had a room all of my own….
Rich in Washington says:
November 10th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
So true, Phantom! I hadn’t thought of that, as I virtually ditched vinyl during my child raising years, save a few precious records. I once let the bulk of my meager collection languish at my in-law’s while my wife and I moved and settled in, only to discover to my horror that my mother-in-law had stacked all of them on top of each other in a hot attic for the better part of two years. I ended up giving most of it away.
Now that my kids are grown up, I am slowly growing my collection again, but nothing too noteworthy, as I am a starving artist.
But yeah, trying to play records with a toddler in the house is really problematic. I’d forgotten all about that!
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 10th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
Too many boxes within boxes, methinks. Playing CD’s is bad enough, the lil one manages to make them skip sometimes, vinyl would be worthless in the space of two songs, especially if she likes the music. Most of my listening these days is done on the slightly inferior quality of the MP3. Then again, my hearing is already sadly depleted by too many heavy metal gigs as a youngster, so I think I’m missing all the high/low end anyway. I do have some vinyl, but it’s all stored away (safer than yours, Rich, ouch) until I get the chance to pick up a turntable when the kids are gone, or at least less likely to career around the house like maniacs.
There really is nothing like the smell of vinyl, and the anticipation when the needle drops into the groove.
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 10th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
Really DUMB question, and also rather pointless, but anyway. HOW do I change my avatar from the generic silhouette to something a bit more ‘me’?
vincent cannata says:
November 12th, 2010 at 11:39 am
A pretty nice synchronisity between last night’s OTE an this article, that being discussed on Rigorous Intuition :
Modern art was CIA ‘weapon’ (Congress for Cultural Freedom)
Modern art was CIA ‘weapon’

Revealed: how the spy agency used unwitting artists such as Pollock and de Kooning in a cultural Cold War

Frances Stonor Saunders
Sunday, 22 October 1995

FOR DECADES in art circles it was either a rumour or a joke, but now it is confirmed as a fact. The Central Intelligence Agency used American modern art – including the works of such artists as Jackson Pollock, Robert Motherwell, Willem de Kooning and Mark Rothko – as a weapon in the Cold War. In the manner of a Renaissance prince – except that it acted secretly – the CIA fostered and promoted American Abstract Expressionist painting around the world for more than 20 years.

The connection is improbable. This was a period, in the 1950s and 1960s, when the great majority of Americans disliked or even despised modern art – President Truman summed up the popular view when he said: “If that’s art, then I’m a Hottentot.” As for the artists themselves, many were ex- com- munists barely acceptable in the America of the McCarthyite era, and certainly not the sort of people normally likely to receive US government backing.

Why did the CIA support them? Because in the propaganda war with the Soviet Union, this new artistic movement could be held up as proof of the creativity, the intellectual freedom, and the cultural power of the US. Russian art, strapped into the communist ideological straitjacket, could not compete.

for more info:

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=30033
peter says:
November 15th, 2010 at 11:38 am
John Oswald’s prePlexure is now available for sale here:
http://negativland.com/index.php?opt=mailorder&item=236&type=ALL

We only have 15 COPIES in stock as of this writing…….
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 15th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
I think all of you on here will appreciate the news that the new Girl Talk album, All Day, is now available over at illegalart.net However, the server is failing just now so best googling for it and finding a mirror like I did. It totally rocks, and will more than keep you going until ECC manage to overcome the pressing problems…
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 15th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
And U2 are on it.
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 15th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
After listening to it all, ECC will have a hard time beating this, TBH. Bit heavy on Lil Wayne, but is no bad thing as it works in the mix. I never used to like Weezy much but I’m getting converted.
vincent cannata says:
November 19th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
At 2 hours and 13 minutes into last night’s OTE: I just love that screaming ‘bit’, ‘coz when there’s a high-pitched scream on the line, it’s almost a ‘theramin’ affect going on!
cool.
vincent cannata says:
November 20th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
Wow! Everything looks ‘back-to-normal’ here!
Negativland says:
November 20th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
Courtesy your friendly mysterious webmaster. We really are trying to do better here.
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 21st, 2010 at 5:09 am
Looking good here. Even the DUMB section is working for me now, it hasn’t been for a few weeks. Although now I look I realise that the infection has spread to there too. I really enjoyed Scrambles of Earth and also Poptastic. Looking forward to IAYHFM v2, sometime in 2020….
peter says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 1:31 pm
IAIYH v2.0 will be sooner than that. The audio is basically done… it just has to get out of committee…
Hermy says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:46 am
Good hello and welcome back.
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 24th, 2010 at 4:52 am
Welcome back to you too Hermy me old china. Peter, I’ll believe it when I see it….
don says:
November 24th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
Re:614 Happy Harzard reaponds:
We have, for better or worse, decided to try to support, sustain and otherwise maintain the downloading of weekly OTEs for the benefit and enlightenment of all. So we charge for the archive, though the every new show is free from us for weeks. There are also sites all over the web that archive OTE and make them available free (see this WAH).
I don’t know, we’re doing the best we can, or maybe not.
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 25th, 2010 at 1:34 am
Keep up the good work Hap. The anal retentive in me likes having a massive archive of old OTE files that in all honesty I am unlikely to ever find the time to listen to properly.
Hermy says:
November 25th, 2010 at 6:56 am
So I’m not the only one Phantom. : )
I have countless hours of Over The Edge and Puzzling Evidence. I can’t get enough of the stuff.
Long may these wonderful shows continue.
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 25th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
Puzzling Evidence still kind of, well, puzzles me.

I love listening to the earlier OTE’s from time to time. I plan on re-listening to all the How Radio Isn’t Done series soon. I find now that I can’t listen to a ‘normal’ radio show cos I can’t really handle whole songs being played without a documentary or booper interrupting. It took me quite a while to ‘get’ OTE, but once it clicks you are hooked forever. I especially like the break in the intro where there’s the little taster of what the show is going to be like.

I think I should get out more….
vincent cannata says:
November 26th, 2010 at 6:39 am
Not only the interrupting, but the use of TWO different dialogues going on at once! I LOVE IT!
However, trying to get others ‘into’ is really tough.
Hoping for more Negativland ‘stuff’ from Mr. Narco’s site. The sound is SO much better that the iTunes podcast!

Belated happy turkey day to all!
vincent cannata says:
November 26th, 2010 at 9:05 am
WTF?!?!
Peter Christopherson (TG, COIL)
DIED yesterday!

WHAT?!
http://www.brainwashed.com/
Hermy says:
November 26th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Unfortunately Puzzling Evidence doesn’t confuse me nearly as much as it used to. I really miss that.

What I really like about these two shows though is that it’s five hours of uninterrupted broadcasting.
No news, no ads and no football results!
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 26th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
Yeah Hermy I kinda know what you mean. Puzzling Evidence used to be so much more layered in the older episodes I (tried) to listen to than it seems to be lately. And I totally agree that it is great to have uninterrupted programs.

Vincent, yeah I know. Multi-layered dialogue that fits more often than it ever should. Extremely difficult to get anyone to listen to OTE. My wife likes the Vangelis intro but doesn’t usually want to listen any longer than that. I often put on an episode of Edge on the MP3 player to help me drift off to sleep and sometimes I wake up with all manner of weird stuff going on.

I really gotta start listening to it more during the day though so I don’t sleep through whole sections.
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 26th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Inspired by Girl Talk and Gitar, I am attempting to make a very very densely layered mashup. So far only about 20 seconds into it, but already there are 15 different tracks mashed together. It actually sounds a whole lot less messy than you would expect. Hoping to post a track soon.
vincent cannata says:
November 27th, 2010 at 9:30 am
Hey, PG,
Do you know of anybody who got to hear the DJ Food RE-SCORE of the Monkees movie, “HEAD”?
http://www.djfood.org/djfood/discography/mixes/head-dj-food-re-score
Hermy says:
November 27th, 2010 at 10:49 am
Hey Phantom,
My comment about not being as confused by Puzzling Evidence shows as I once was wasn’t meant as a criticism, just that back when I first discovered the show I knew nothing about Bob Dobbs, The Church or the quirky format of the show.
My favourite is still The Hinky Commision episode.
http://matrix.csustan.edu/Negativ/Puzzling%20Evidence%20-%20PE081205.mp3
PhantomGuitarist says:
November 28th, 2010 at 8:12 am
Vincent, I know of no-one that has heard it or of it, including me… Sounds interesting though.

Some of the Church speeches I heard on PE were hilarious. I don’t listen half as much as I check out OTE. I keep meaning to, but there are only so many hours in the day.
Rich in Washington says:
November 28th, 2010 at 11:47 am
Listening to a lot of Girl Talk lately (trying to play catch up) and finding it kind of unappealing.
I’m not sure if it’s just my annoying knee jerk against his fame and mainstream appeal, but while his execution is flawless, it seems all show-offy and ultimately humorless. I guess I dig stuff like Evolution Control Committee/DJ Pantshead, RIAA, DJ Lobsterdust a lot more. There’s more ironic humor with their stuff and less mashup gymnastic routines.
There are parts of Night Ripper I enjoy, to be sure, but it only takes off when GT lets loose some original (I think) beats and slackens off from the “remember this riff/groove? nudge nudge” mode.
But I also really enjoyed the latest Kleptones release Uptime/Downtime. It peters out somewhere at the 20 minute mark on the first disk and I have yet to really get into the second (Downtime)
peter says:
November 28th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
Just because, you can now follow OTE announcements, et al, over on Disgracebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Negativland/131759750185111?v=wall
vincent cannata says:
November 28th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
re: 1012: uhhhh….. do I HAVE to?
Rich in Washington says:
December 10th, 2010 at 10:30 am
The writing anything here has just ceased.
Rich in Washington says:
December 10th, 2010 at 10:37 am
Hey, Happy!
Was reading that today’s cell phone fidelity can trace its origins to Nazi WWII technology, namely the type of compression used was based on encryption technology developed during the war.
The post-war spin-offs of this are the Vocoder and the type of packet encryption and audio compression needed for today’s cell phones – which is why cell phones suck on radio. The cell phone compresses the audio when it’s needed and can be affected by people not talking loud enough or too loud, poor reception and a whole myriad of reasons, which is why it’s often awful sounding.
Add to that the possibility that KPFA may use digital phone lines – as a opposed to Plain Old Telephone lines (POT), so it introduces its own funky compression.
With more and more people ditching their land-lines in favor of the Nazi Vocodophone, this may be a long term headache for you.
We are sorry.
PhantomGuitarist says:
December 11th, 2010 at 12:55 am
Interesting stuff there, Rich.

I think the festive season, coupled with snow, has finally frozen the regulars brains in here, and you know we don’t have regular brains. The sad decline of Write Anything Here is possibly mirroring the sad decline of Negativland as a whole, the longer we go about writing the Last Chapter, the less any of us wants to have the last word….

Anyway, if any lurkers, shurkers, regular or otherwise, on here are interested in something old but at the same time once again new, they could do worse than surf on over to http://www.animalswithinanimals.com

The new stallio album is there for free, which seems to be the default price for music these days. You can also try out the ‘join the band’ feature if you are that way inclined.
mjetpax says:
December 13th, 2010 at 9:26 am
anything here
Rich in Washington says:
December 13th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Was writing something the other day, as to what music’s worth these days and came to the conclusion that it isn’t worth anything. Hardly anyone buys music anymore and even less buy the physical – and by now obsolete – object. I’ve paid more for downloads last year than I have for CDs – even used ones. To quote Consolidated, music has no value. Zero.
To that end, how are people experiencing music these days? I realize I am an older person, but it seems that Gen-Y’rs don’t seem to mind that one primary way they experience new music and artists these days are through commercial advertisements. People of my generation used to see rock artist selling their song to sell something as a sellout. We cringe when our favorite songs become a commercial. I died a little when Iggy’s Lust for Life became an advert for bloated, bourgeois to go on a sea cruise.
And that commercial currently airing for Hyundai makes me vomit. Congratulations, Pomplamoose! You are now the Hyundai commercial band – but then, I am an old cranky fart. A search on the web has little outrage or contempt for them ‘selling out’ as we old folks would say, but rather inquiries as to how to find this band’s music.
Are commercials now the primary way people hear music? Is it because commercial radio is so gridlocked and stagnant?
I don’t know – but if I see that Hyundai commercial again – with the robotic, off-key singing girl and the obnoxiously mugging bearded hipster dude, I’m going to run bamboo skewers through my ocular cavities.
PhantomGuitarist says:
December 14th, 2010 at 12:53 am
I think kids nowadays are less likely to be upset by hearing songs they like on adverts simply because to them the adverts just merge with everything else. All media, in fact pretty much all life is now totally saturated with advertising to the point where I would imagine the kids just blindly accept adverts being there. Watching TV now, it’s pretty much a 50/50 split between ads and actual programming, unless you are watching the BBC. Even the BBC is becoming more relaxed on this, and product placement is sneaking in the advertising.

I actually think there is a case to now be calling it selling in, rather than selling out. I’d like to think that kids can filter out all this advertising and just kinda ignore it, but the amount of cash spent on it would suggest that isn’t the case. I was commenting elsewhere that you know it’s Christmas when Coke starts telling you the holidays are coming. Wonder if they’ll be so kind to tell us when the apocalypse comes, just time for one last Coke before the world ends….
Rich in Washington says:
December 14th, 2010 at 10:45 am
Right on, PG!
Selling in.
You sold me on it.

I think you’re onto something about selling the apocalypse… It’s the nature of the culture industry to sell your discontent back to you, preferably on an installment plan – and if you thought the end was near, you’d say “damn the interest rate. I’m dying to have that!”
tmspecialproject says:
December 18th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
I just wanted to write that dark side of the moon outside of art, is a terrible record aestheticly! No news no sports! No hunting or fishing!
Don Joyce would know this! Happy hazard needs to leave I think. I saw him too he’s a human monster. It’s tiring. Don Joyce is a on the other hand very handsome and a radio sex machine if you will.
Hal is a bad trip man, certified bummer. Hunt down don, have him oust happy, shoot, bring back crowsley! All LITERATURE RADIO where crowsley will talk for 5 hours in his heavenly voice!

I also I suspect Hal spreading the information of the phone fidelity device DOSNT SAY THAT THIS PIECE OF INFORMATION USED BY JAMMERS INCLUDING THOES PERPITRATING ILLEGAL PIRATE RADIO OR THOES PRANKING AND ACTING GENERALLY FOOLISH CALLING INTO TO A TALK SHOW.
thank you all for your time it was excellent to write.
PhantomGuitarist says:
December 19th, 2010 at 6:53 am
Spelling mistakes hurt my eyes. Hangover hurts my head. It’s snowing outside. Still no sign of IAIYHFM Vol. 2. Reasons to be cheerful, 1. 2. 3.

The festive season is upon us. Buy, buy, buy, happy shoppers. Sweet dreams are made of this. There IS NO dark side of the moon, it’s all dark.

Keep on trucking Happy. If it’s not popular then it probably means you are doing something right.
PhantomGuitarist says:
December 19th, 2010 at 6:56 am
And of course, at this time of year it is important to affirm:

THERE IS NO GOD.
Gorpisnorb says:
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:31 pm
http://www.youtube.com/user/processedbeef#p/a/u/0/w_lLGtegj3Y

Do it Right on Thursday Night!!!!!!
vincent cannata says:
December 27th, 2010 at 8:57 am
Just getting around to hearing the “It’s All In Your Head” OTE: interesting new variations!
Spent the few days before X-mas hanging out with my father-in-law STAN RICKER: famous record master-er and co-founder of Mobile Fidelity Labs.
He now works from his home and if any one is interested in his services for Lacquer Cutting For Record Pressing (hint, hint), he’s STILL for hire:
http://www.rickermaster.com/
Hope all here have a safe week, and see y’all next year!

vince
vincent cannata says:
December 27th, 2010 at 9:23 am
OH!
And, if “It’s All In Your Head FM” is STILL a ‘work-in-progress’, might i suggest these two items for ‘inclusion:
Terry Jones’ series “The Crusades” (there are many parts to this, but here’s a link to one of them)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4roF8zqNu3Y

AND,
Patton Oswalt’s “Sky Cake”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmzeY65voe0

enjoy!
femsh says:
January 1st, 2011 at 7:09 pm
I have wondered this for years: What is the radio announcer saying on “time zones” on Escape From Noise – “A boy lying on skins behind our backs?” It doesn’t make any sense!!
peter says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:07 am
Ooh, nice reference to your father-in-law, Vince! I had no idea that a “honcho” of Mobile Fidelity was still cutting discs. I would like to use him on an upcoming project and will get in touch!

I’ll check out the suggestions on IAIYH, though the reality is that we’re pretty firm on the live album representing what we actually _did_ on that stage, so adding material in post is sort of out of the question. But! There might be another show someday…
Hermy says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 12:25 pm
My ipod won’t allow me to add recent episodes of OTE. Just wondering if anyone else has had this problem or if ye have any suggestions that might fix it.

Thanks.
Hermy says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Oh, and a happy new year to one and all!
Negativland says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Never heard of this, Hermy. Email me at webmaster[at]negativland[dot]com and tell me in detail about your problem; I’ll try to fix it all up for you.
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 4:36 am
Happy New Year all you Negativ creeps. Must get around to listening to the latest OTE, always did like IAIYH so looking forward to that. MMXI already, huh? How the time flies by.
vincent cannata says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:00 am
re: hearing OTE on iTunes.
I had no problem hearing the show, but, in order to hear all 5 hours, you must download the Puzzling Evidence show from Dec. 30th.

to Mr. Peter.
COOL! I’ll let Stan know to expect a message from you.
He’s still got it, and played us examples of what he’s been working on recently: From Zamfir to The Flaming Lips!
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:41 pm
I used to download via itunes, but now the OTE page here is updated regularly again I prefer to wait for the better quality.

I don’t need to get it quickly as I’ve still to listen to the xmas one. Looking forward to it, as I said previously IAIYH is one of my favourite OTE themes. I’ve been hearing good things about the new Oswald. It sucks that I have no vinyl playing capabilities.
vincent cannata says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:25 pm
It’s seems to be just a re-mix of “Plexure”……. right?
Not actually a new piece, I think.
Hermy says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Thanks for the replies.

To be clear it’s the downloads from Negativland.com that won’t import to my ipod. I haven’t had this problem until very recently so I’ll check and see what was the last show that didn’t cause a problem and what shows have done since.

I’ll email you the details Neg-land.

Thanks again.
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 2:20 pm
Given the nature of Plexure itself, remixing it would make it a new piece. Although I do kinda get your point.
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 2:23 pm
Usually I just manually copy and paste the mp3 files from my hard drive to my MP3 player. Not sure when I last did this, as sometimes I just listen straight from the laptop. Have you tried doing this with the ipod? Is it possible the ipod is full? Just seems like a very strange thing to be happening. My aversion to all technology that is fruit related means that I am unable to comment further.
Hermy says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 2:54 pm
I’ve just checked and it’s all shows from November onwards. I’ve tried drag n drop, cut and paste, Add file to library and none of them work.
Stoopid fruit!
Negativland says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Don’t blame the fruit, Hermy! It could be us! Give me some info, like computer processor, OS, blah blah blah. The files are working like a charm for me on iTunes under 10.6 on a MacBook Pro. I like the fruit!

Also working on a variety of other fruity models. But we do need to get this fixed, so let’s track down where the issue might be.
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Seems all is not well in apple land. Interesting this should all happen around about the time that the Beatles finally end up on itunes. Perhaps apples eating other apples is a bad thing after all….

Seriously though, it’s an interesting problem, if an annoying one for you Hermy.
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:02 pm
An interesting aside, I prefer itunes to media player mostly, but on my Windows 7 laptop itunes can never close, it just stays open until I force it to crash or shutdown the machine. I’d never own a piece of apple hardware though, but that is probably more down to me being a thrifty Scotsman than anything else.
Hermy says:
January 4th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Good hello,

I’m happy to report that I’ve solved the problem I was having. It was just a matter of updating to the latest version of iTunes, something I hadn’t done for a while as the version that came out in September wasn’t compatable with my O/S and so I carried on using v.9 till now.

My apologies to the fruit.
Twas me that was stoopid. : )
Negativland says:
January 4th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Not a problem, Hermy! Glad to know everything worked out OK in the end!
vincent cannata says:
January 5th, 2011 at 7:09 am
Trust me… there are reasons to be mad at the fruit.
One of their factories in far off China was having a problem with workers committing suicide on the job.
So, what did they do?
Put nets at the bottom of the building, and have all new employees sign a contact that made the workers promise they wouldn’t kill themselves on company property!
Hermy says:
January 5th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
You’re damn right there’s reasons to be annoyed.
I tried playing the most recent episodes of OTE in the car today -the ones that previously wouldn’t import – and none of them will play.
Just now I switched on my pc and I couldn’t get iTunes to switch on.
I then plugged in my ipod and the pc froze!
So I think it’s back to v.9 for now and I’ll have to make do without OTE in the car for now. : (
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 19th, 2011 at 1:59 am
Evolution Control Committee!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ordered, and anxiously awaited.

Its also available for listening over on their own website. Sounds great.
peter says:
January 19th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Firesign Theatre set also released today.
http://www.negativland.com/index.php?opt=mailorder&item=239&type=ALL
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 20th, 2011 at 2:22 am
And what a set it is Peter! 80 hours or radio from the golden age. All for just over £30 too! If the ECC disc hasn’t already been sent just bung it all together in the one big package.

Since the wife will be leaving in the next month or so there really couldn’t be a better time for a whole bunch of audio to drop through my letterbox.

Separation never sounded so good!
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 20th, 2011 at 2:25 am
To the webmaster. Front page of the Mail Order section needs updated a little bit. In the ‘Other Artists’ section the latest release is ECC’s Plagiarhythm Nation. There have been quite a few releases after this.

Not a complaint, just a friendly suggestion. In general the site is looking in great health these days.
peter says:
January 20th, 2011 at 9:18 am
PG… you may not have noticed that the “Other Releases” section is listed alphabetically – not by release date. In any case, I did just add the two new ones.
Rich in Washington says:
January 20th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Eagerly awaiting my vinyl. I’ve had to cease listening to the flash player on ECC’s site so that it’ll be more or less a surprise when I get it.
Geez, it sounds amazing!

And don’t get me started on the Firesign set!
The book alone is enough to warrant getting it but the radio shows are so damn funny! In some ways, I prefer the Dear Friends shows to the albums. They’re the crucible from whence the mania apparent on the later albums came from, in my opinion.
They are pure, uncut FIRESIGN!

Got to chat a bit with Peter Bergman when they were in Portland and he told me a bit about the stuff going into the book. It’s pretty mindblowing! Fireheads will not be disappointed.
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 21st, 2011 at 12:02 am
Hey Peter.

Wouldn’t be the first time I was DUMB. Accept my humble apple-pie-oagies.

Rich, it does sound great doesn’t it? Looking at that lovely orange vinyl makes me seriously consider purchasing a turntable, what with that and the pre-Plexure LP now available. I hadn’t even really considered just how great the Firesign book sounds until I re-read the description. Looking forward more than ever now.

Was reading an article recently about pros and cons of the shuffle function. There’s a club where folk come to listen to a full album un-interrupted on vinyl with the best speakers available. Sounded great to me and got me thinking that once all this separation shit dies down I really will never have had a better chance to become an extreme audiophile.
Rich in Washington says:
January 21st, 2011 at 6:08 am
I’m leaning toward the no shuffle camp. There are some albums that can’t bear shuffling. I for example can’t stand to hear Eno’s Paw Paw Negro Blowtorch without it going into Baby’s On Fire. I can’t stand not hearing Kraftwerk’s Metal on Metal after Trans Europe Express.

Oh well. Small price to pay for being able to juxtapose Heino with Mrs. Miller.

Someone needs to invent a script that lets you group certain tracks in iTunes so they’re grouped together so they can’t NOT be played sequentially.

Guitarist: Very sorry to hear about your change in marital status. It’s a drag no matter what the circumstances, amity, etc…
Peace,
Rich
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 22nd, 2011 at 4:46 am
Vincent, I think the double CD is possibly the one on sale here. There’s no mention of a SINGLE CD version…

Good question though, what IS on the second disc?
vincent cannata says:
January 22nd, 2011 at 6:48 am
Thanks, PG.
I only ask ‘coz all the tracks displayed on the Amazon, and on EEC’s site don’t seem to justify TWO CD’s to me!
Rich in Washington says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:00 am
Big dumb, stupid article in antiquarian newspaper The New York Times, who apparently just discovered sampling in music.

Read here:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/01/09/magazine/mashup-timeline.html
and astound at the many gaps and glaring omissions in their half-assed timeline.

How many folks or bands did they miss?
peter says:
January 25th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
Yes, the ECC CD ships with a bonus disc.
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 26th, 2011 at 4:34 am
Oooh, mystical mystery disc. Even more excited now.
vincent cannata says:
January 27th, 2011 at 6:03 am
Nice….
vincent cannata says:
January 29th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
Ordered mine! How ’bout you?
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 30th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Ordered both ECC and the Firesign set. Might receive them tomorrow, depending on international mail speeds.
Rich in Washington says:
January 31st, 2011 at 10:26 am
Got my ECC record the other day.
It’s a thick (possibly 180g – get it?), orange slab of vinyl and sounds great! The package is nicely designed, as well.

Was a shame to have to destroy the sticker that serves as a warning/disclaimer/eula in order to free it from the shrink wrap.

Also, I’m assuming that the tracks not available on the vinyl edition are the ones made free for the taking on ECC’s site (at 320kbps!), or are there more?

A great album! I heartily recommend it!
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 31st, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Commentary and out-takes apparently. According to the ECC site which has been updated in the last day or 2.

I really am thinking of getting myself a turntable and purchasing the vinyl of this too.

PS – Rich, thanks for the condolences brother. Everything is all very amicable right now, but it’s early days yet.
vincent cannata says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 8:39 am
Got mine!
Hey, PG!
Sadly, the laser on my computer is off, and i was wondering if you could e-mail me the disc two of “All Rights”… I’ve got proof of purchase, so we wouldn’t be breaking the law.

thanks.
PhantomGuitarist says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Hey Vincent

Sometimes it feels like we are the only poor souls posting on here… I have yet to receive my super Seeland package, the joys of living in the UK…

When I get it, I’d be glad to provide disc 2. And I wouldn’t worry about breaking the law, if you’ve listened to disc 1 you’ve already done it, right??
vincent cannata says:
February 4th, 2011 at 8:44 am
Thanks much! Since you haven’t got it yet, let me tell ya’:
Disc 2 is LOADED!
Not only the commentary and bonus tracks, but high-quality MP3′s, and isolated ‘break-downs’ of certain tracks to make-your-own re-mixes!!
PhantomGuitarist says:
February 5th, 2011 at 4:42 am
Uploaded to Megaupload Vincent, what is your email address, seem to have mislaid it somewhere within my non-existent internet filing system. Don’t want to post up a public link, since folks really should pay for ECC’s work.
PhantomGuitarist says:
February 5th, 2011 at 5:13 am
I love the smell of a new book. The new Firesign Theatre set is well worth the money, on my first listen to a show last night I was kinda reminded of Puzzling Evidence. And the book is just great.
vincent cannata says:
February 5th, 2011 at 6:48 am
It’s:
cannatavincent@yahoo.com

and, thanks again!
PhantomGuitarist says:
February 5th, 2011 at 7:03 am
Email should be winging it’s way through cyberspace now Mr Cannata. Enjoy!

PS – You are most welcome.
Greg Falkingham says:
February 5th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fusNN_v2cw8#

‘Beyond 2000 … 1994, CDROM and CYBERSPACE!’

Not quite hot on the heels of the Utah Saints clip demonstrating how to author a single with a computer, but I thought still worth sharing, since it is in the same spirit.

To quote Ellard’s explanation of the clip:

“The year is 1994 and I’m showing off the near completed Metapus CD-ROM. I think that’s playing on a 486 with a 1Gb drive, but the video segments are definitely playing off an Amiga 4000. This is around the time that the Amiga was dying. The CD-ROM is authored on ToolBook which is more primitive than Netscape 1 – and of course mp3 hadn’t been invented yet. Under the Commodore monitor sits two Super VHS machines and the Fairlight CVI. Wotta lotta boxes. Predictions in this episode: some kind of ‘video disc’ and the games console as media centre. DVD was formalised about a year after this.”
PhantomGuitarist says:
February 6th, 2011 at 2:40 am
Very interesting clip. Had never heard of Severed Heads, but the little snippets heard on there sound interesting.
Greg Falkingham says:
February 6th, 2011 at 10:57 am
From Brainwashed.com:

“Everything was fair game: recordings of Sylvia Plath, Jerry Lewis, howling dingoes, jet engines, nature documentaries, televangelists, snippets of old soul songs, and much, much more are cut-up, slowed-down, sped-up, reversed, and decontextualized into a deranged cacophony. In retrospect, Severed Heads had a lot in common with their US contemporaries Negativland, but without any narrative or political end in mind, just a fascination with pure sound and stuttering, disorienting juxtapositions.”

Being based in Australia ensured that they were always going to be a bit obscure. Story is that Severed Heads went to the UK at the same time as The Birthday Party, but while Nick Cave stayed, Ellard returned.

With a discography that covers 1979-2008, it’s hard to know what is the best ‘in’ when approaching the band. Since The Accident from ’83 contains material that embraces their tape-loop past (“Gashing The Old Mae West”) and the more melodic pure electronic music (“Dead Eyes Opened”). They become known for a lot of their multimedia efforts; they created their own video synthesizer to manipulate a video feed in real time during live performances. They established a web presence in the early 90s, and were one of the first bands to sell their recordings exclusively online (Haul Ass in ’96).

Parenthetically, I recently ordered and received the Poptastic disc from here, and it is a really wonderful bit of work.
vincent cannata says:
February 8th, 2011 at 7:31 am
Played “Since The Accident” to DEATH back in the day!
One of my wife’s FAVES!!!
PhantomGuitarist says:
February 9th, 2011 at 5:08 am
Been enjoying Firesign Theatre, and strangely enough, Stairway to Britney. I didn’t think much of it when it was originally posted on the ECC site, but it’s really growing on me now.
vincent cannata says:
February 18th, 2011 at 9:14 am
Very funny “It’s All In Your Head” ‘goof-up’……. put a smile on my face.
Greg Falkingham says:
February 21st, 2011 at 8:14 am
Did anyone catch this on any news feeds? This is so laughable and cringe-worthy that it has to be shared.

According to Yahoo news, there’s a full page New York times ad written by Steve Stoute:

‘”Over the course of my 20-year history as an executive in the music business and as the owner of a firm that specializes in in-culture advertising, I have come to the conclusion that the Grammy Awards have clearly lost touch with contemporary popular culture,” wrote Stoute, who is currently CEO of the marketing company Translation.’

I love that phrase ‘in-culture advertising’.

‘”We must acknowledge the massive cultural impact of Eminem and Kanye West and how their music is shaping, influencing and defining the voice of a generation,” Stoute wrote. As for Bieber, he wrote, “How is it that Justin Bieber, an artist that defines what it means to be a modern artist, did not win Best New Artist?” (That award went to singer/bassist Esperanza Spalding.)’

If this were NeoGaf, this is where the giant Picard facepalm gif would go.
Subterranean Beat says:
February 24th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
This one is for the Weatherman, it uses a sample from a tape of one of his holiday gatherings:

“Please Groove to the Back of the Bus (I’m Sitting There Waiting mix)” – http://twiturm.com/tpyqp

Not my best work, but even my best work is pretty bad! (Mark was right about anyone with a computer being able to mix tracks!) But they’re not all as pointless as this one, I had originally intended to sample from a documentary concerning corporate label’s deliberate selection of hip-hop acts that promote debauchery as a means of oppression, but I can’t find a copy of it.

A few songs with something a little more poignant to say include: “Maybe He Might Just Be Lonely (dead on his bed)”, “Generic Public SchMool”, “1984″, & “That Guy Who Never Gave You His Name”.

Peace.
Hebairt says:
February 26th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Still praying that ‘all in your head’ comes out on CD or mp3 before I die
Negativland says:
February 26th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Negativland DID release IAIYH-FM already, Stephen. It sold out, so a “Version 2.0″ is in the works. Keep watching for it, because it could happen any day now!
PhantomGuitarist says:
February 27th, 2011 at 4:31 am
Any day now, huh? Yet more stuff winging it’s way from Seeland to sunny Glasgow then I guess. Been looking forward to version 2, first one has been firmly in rotation since I got it. Love the shaving monkey part. It’s a very thought-provoking, interesting and at times incredibly funny piece of work.
Gorpisnorb says:
March 2nd, 2011 at 1:57 am
Is this site the only place to get stereo archives of the show? Sounds like KPFA’s archives are mono. iTunes????
Rich in Washington says:
March 2nd, 2011 at 10:09 pm
I think the iTunes podcast is the exact audio source as the KPFA podcast. iTunes doesn’t store any audio from submitted podcasts. It just aggregates it and lets you subscribe and download.
It says it’s 24kbps mono. That’s less than half the audio quality as KPFA’s web stream (64kbps stereo).
The only way you could get higher bitrate audio would be to have someone within KPFA’s broadcast radius record it to hard disk.

Something I just learned today: There exists about two months of OTE episodes. If you own a Roku media player (and probably other similar devices that let you watch and listen to web media on your TV) you can access these by installing the Tune In Radio widget and search for KPFA. You’ll see the OTE episodes.
I found them by adding KPFA to my station presets.
Rich in Washington says:
March 2nd, 2011 at 10:24 pm
I think KPFA’s podcasts are auto generated. All its audio is cut into chunks automagically by the show schedule. The bitrate’s just barely listenable. It’s similar to the quality of audio that radio stations archive for documentation purposes (like if they have to prove to the FCC that some daytime DJ didn’t let slip one of the dreaded ‘seven words’ or something.
Conversely, if you recorded 24 hours of a radio station at even a modest bitrate, it would be several gigabytes and really unweildy to store two week’s worth (which is what most stations are allowed to make available as a ‘second service’).
Gorpisnorb says:
March 3rd, 2011 at 4:13 pm
I suspected that much, good to know they put’em up here to hear!
Subterranean Beat says:
March 4th, 2011 at 11:47 am
I read somewhere (far) above about someone ordering from Seeland having an issue with a delay in receiving their DVD. If anyone considering buying something happens to read this, I just gotta say that I’ve ordered stuff several times and have never had a problem. The one time I made an inquiry (about combing two orders that were placed close together into one), I received a prompt & friendly reply. Seeland a few other choice independent labels are the only places where I choose to spend money on entertainment dollars. Not because I can’t download it free, but because they deserve our support. If you’ve gotten as far as finding your way here, I encourage you to do the same. Peace.
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 5th, 2011 at 8:27 am
I’d like to back up Subterranean Beat. I have never had any issue whatsoever with Seeland orders. My only complaint would be that the last order didn’t come with the usual ‘You’ve found the sound of found sound’ sticker on the package. Always made me smile, did that.
vincent cannata says:
March 6th, 2011 at 7:13 am
I’ve been ordering Neg CD’s since they were available in the TEC/Ralph catalogues, and have never had a problem with orders OR returned product!

Yes, I’m old!
PhantomGuitarist says:
March 7th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
http://corporaterecords.co.uk/artists/Simon+Indelicate/The+Book+Of+Job+The+Musical:+The+Original+Cast+Recording+-+ACT+ONE/

Thought folks on here may be interested in this, Book Of Job: The Musical.

Act one is free, act two costs you a fiver minimum.

Could be put to good use in a revised version of All In Your Head.
peter says:
March 8th, 2011 at 11:04 am
Phantom… that was probably because I accidentally put my home address on the return label instead of Seeland’s. Whoops.

Thanks for the good words, fellers. I try to stay on top of the shipping (I’m the only one who does it) but I can get backed up. Over the past few weeks, however, we’ve been on schedule.
vincent cannata says:
April 1st, 2011 at 9:11 am
Loving this OTE (April 1)! Just 30 mins. in, and after hearing the “Zappa on Crossfire” bit, it’s sounding like a KEEPER!!
vincent cannata says:
April 1st, 2011 at 10:43 am
Love that DUMMY RUN music, one hour in!
vincent cannata says:
April 2nd, 2011 at 9:06 am
To re-iterate: GREAT OTE!
5 hours, and not a dull moment!
Consider me entertained!
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 4th, 2011 at 11:51 am
Another 5 hr OTE. Looking forward to that coming on here in it’s full 128kb glory.
vincent cannata says:
April 5th, 2011 at 4:49 am
YES! PG, it sure was a keeper!
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 5th, 2011 at 9:44 am
This site even looks good on a mobile phone! Not that I will be using the phone to access it often
kouna says:
April 8th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
I try to collect a maximum of album cover from the first Negativland :

http://rateyourmusic.com/list/kouna/negativland___first_album
Oscar says:
April 22nd, 2011 at 2:07 am
I just heard you give out station IDs and wanted to point out a correction.

London’s Resonance FM isn’t on 106.9 FM anymore (that was the frequency they used during John Peel’s Meltdown festival) and OTE hasn’t been on their schedule for at least 5 years.
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 28th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Kouna, like the idea. All on here that have their own copy of the first album should upload a pic and add to the list.
stephysteph88 says:
May 4th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
I turn it to 94.1 on thursdays EVERY thursday at midnight, negativland.. your awesome!!! I’ve been with you guys ever since your started on the raido!!
stephysteph88 says:
May 4th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
And another thing, My Ex Boyfriend of three years passed away last june.. 2010, he colleted all your cds, attened some of your shows, turned in every thursday 94.1 at midnight, and loved you guys and the subgenuis… He always wanted to meet you all face to face but never had the chance, so i just wanted to say that davied james wharton loved you guys, and he always will.
swampstudio says:
May 12th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
How do you feel about Nicki Minaj using the sample “Sycamore” peppered throughout the album “Sucka Free”? Is there a back story?

Thanks for the blindfold at the Middle East.

SwAMPstudio
PhantomGuitarist says:
May 13th, 2011 at 10:44 am
I had kinda liked the latest Minaj offering, but hadn’t checked out anything else. Reading the above got me intrigued. The sample is indeed peppered throughout the album. Very strange use of a sample….
Hermy says:
July 6th, 2011 at 7:47 am
Hi all,

I’m wondering if any of you can help me.
I have an episode of Over The Edge from April 1999 (History of Noise) which used to play with Real Player but now won’t. It’s an IVR (internet video recording) file and none of the other players I have will play it either.
So does anyone know of a player that will play it?

Thanks
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 7th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Can I just take a moment to state publicly my appreciation for the webmaster and the great work done to bring us all the current OTE episodes. Looking forward to the old ones becoming available for purchase again, understand that is a MAMMOTH task and it’s good to get the odd progress report here and there.

To Hermy, Apparently VLC media player will play pretty much anything. Couldn’t verify that as I have neither VLC nor any IVR files. Worth a try though if you don’t already have it. Possibly worth looking at mp3 conversion?
Negativland says:
July 7th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
Doing my best, Phantom. Don’t offer praise until I get this thing steered the way it was intended. We’re still a ways off. It’ll happen soon, though… very soon. Hope to have as many OTEs as we can gather. It’s a project, believe me. We’re at 90Gb and counting. The archive is very complete from about 2000 and up, but before that it’s really spotty.

Still, Don has cassettes from that entire era. We only have to figure out how we can muster the man-hours to go through them all!
Rich in Washington says:
July 8th, 2011 at 8:29 am
Let’s nominate Don for a MacArthur grant, so he can hire a bunch of interns to digitize the 30+ years of OTE.
Just a thought.
StephakneeSays says:
July 8th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Anything here
Hermy says:
July 9th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Firstly, I’d like to echo what Phantom said above regarding the work done to bring us OTE. Can’t thank ye enough for the show.

Secondly Phantom, I have VLC media player but that won’t work either. Could you recommend an mp3 conversion program?
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 19th, 2011 at 8:19 am
Was watching footage from the True/False tour on youtube, and it looked kinda professionally done, certainly the visuals and sound were decent. Is there an officially recorded version of this concert anywhere in the Negativland archives, and if so is it possible to buy it. I know you may not think its commercially viable to release it as a proper release or whatever, but I would pay for a DVDR of this, with a hand written cover. Or an AVI file or whatever.

Yes, I know, obsessive. But the small 7 minute clip looked very interesting, would love to see more.

I have a bootleg of a live show that I keep meaning to rip and upload to a torrent. It has some U2 stuff, Four Fingers, etc. Not sure exactly when the performance is from.
Negativland says:
July 19th, 2011 at 10:49 am
Negativland has hours of footage and even more hours of audio from this tour. There has long been discussion of how to get it to a proper DVD release. So, rest assured, it’s a project. All that
is lacking is manpower to edit and assemble it the way we like. We’re only hoping that by the time we get it done someone still remembers that tour!
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 19th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Look forward to that. I’d buy raw footage, but a proper release would be great.
Negativland says:
July 19th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
Yr. the best, Phantom.
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 20th, 2011 at 12:35 am
The best may rhyme with obsessed, but that’s the only similarity. Again, thanks.
ICTMeat says:
July 26th, 2011 at 3:27 am
1. How do you feel about The Evolution Control Committee?

2. Are you aware that the Kingdom of Loathing makes reference to your artistic creation? How do you feel about that?

3. Would you have any interest in pursuing a podcast collaboration with the creators of KoL? Skype in and interact, that sort of thing. Just talk. Any interest at all?

4. Are any of these questions out of line?
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 26th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Negativland despises the ECC’s derivative bastardisation of their great work. That’s the most likely reason for their Seeland label releasing 2 of their albums.
ICTMeat says:
July 27th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
That is definitely a viable answer to the question, but not one which seems to me to be expressive of a great deal of feeling. Certainly is there a respect for the form of expression, but is there actual heart involved anywhere? In other words, is the production itself appreciated, or is it only appreciated for its nature as a similarly-veined construction?

If you follow me thus far, I hope you will take a closer look at the question 2. Unlikely does it seem to me that Negativland would take any great offense at anyone making reference to them; Read-Write Culture seems well-ingrained in their virtual collective psyche. But, how do they feel? Is it a cringing in anticipation of yet another fan who has represented them in some way with which they are uncomfortable? Are they honored that they have been immortalized as an iconographic entity? Are they passive to the whole inquiry?

I, you may see, would rather pose a broader question, and hone it as need be, rather than make an overly-precise question which often requires reformation. :¬)
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 28th, 2011 at 5:48 am
ICTMeat, I am not a member of Negativland, just a rather sarcastic fan. Actually I’m usually not all that sarcastic at all, and apologise for the rather pithy reply.

As regards to KOL, I had never heard of it, but seem to have now found a new online game to waste my time in. Thanks. That was NOT sarcasm, I promise.

I am easy to find on there, since I use the same name. Haven’t seen the Negativland references yet, well possibly one phrase seemed familiar. Or do you mean the radio station. I’ll listen to that soon.
ICTMeat says:
July 28th, 2011 at 9:38 am
I’ve sent you an in-game message. For the rest of you (who care), here is a link to an external fan site which seeks to document all known references in the game. This link shows the known Negativland references.

http://pop.bewarethefgc.com/search.php?seek=negativland

As to the radio show, it is mostly just volunteer fan DJs, but on Monday at 9pm EST and on Thursday at 10 pm EST, there is a 2-hour show where members of the development team field player questions, discuss various aspects of culture and media, and generally just talk about whatever comes up. Sometimes, they will have non-KoL guests, such as a recent episode which featured Adam Dunn (http://cargocollective.com/adunn) — an artist, not the baseball player.

As to the other DJs, there are a few who regularly play mash-ups, although mostly mainstream stuff like DJ Earworm, Justin Bieber vs. Slipknot, and Star Wars vs. Prodigy. Negativland occasionally gets played, but there is only one DJ who regularly plays mind-crushingly painful experimental music — that being the Dutch DJ Bodisaniwi (and this assumes he is not hosting an etymology contest ).

In case there is any confusion, I am not a member of the development team, nor of the administration. I am but a fan who observed the continued existence of OTE radio, thought about KoL, and put 2 and 2 together.
srsos says:
July 29th, 2011 at 12:20 am
FOR GOBS SAKE! WILL SOMEONE SHOW YOU MONKEYS HOW TO PROPERLY DESIGN A WEBPAGE SO THAT IT DOES NOT BECOME TORTURE FOR YOUR FANS EYES TO VIEW WITH THE CONSTANT CONTRACTION AND EXPANSION. IN OTHER WORDS, STOP RESIZING THE DAMN WINDOWS, YOU GEEKS. WE LOVE YOU BUT THIS IS KILLING OUR EYES.

LOVE, Soft Round Smooth Organic Spaceships
Negativland says:
July 29th, 2011 at 12:32 am
Sorry, Srsos. The feeling back in 2008 or whenever that was implemented, was that it was better for small screens, like Mark’s powerbook on which some of it was designed and tested. It is universally reviled.

I’ll see to it when I get back in the country (I’m abroad at the moment). IT IS TIME TO CHANGE.
srsos says:
July 30th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
I’m confused as to why your sexual orientation should affect your foreign travel abilities but bless you for the kind response and solution to the the visual improprieties taken upon us all, lo this many years. All is well and good and right with the world again! Cheers!
Negativland says:
July 31st, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Yes, that is why I’m abroad. I finally decided to have the operation, and I had to travel to Thailand to have it done by the most competent surgeons. You may now refer to me as Ms. Webmaster, after tonight when I undergo the knife. I’ve been a colossal failure as a man; maybe I can do better as a woman.
PhantomGuitarist says:
July 31st, 2011 at 1:10 pm
You could have been the first musician to have a sex change, but Life of Agony have beaten you to it…
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 15th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
This is working again??? Hmmm, am I the first to notice?? Am I the last???
Negativland says:
January 15th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
The section closed itself when no one bothered to post for so long!
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 19th, 2012 at 12:09 am
At the risk of talking to myself, I post again…

IAYHFM Vol 2.0???? Releasing soon??? this year???

A True/False Tour DVD? An album of chamber music by Pastor Dick?

The Sooper Dooper Booper Album?
Negativland says:
January 19th, 2012 at 12:27 am
Wow. How do you know so much about our plans?
Hermy says:
January 25th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Now that this is back open could I suggest to PG that Wendy Carlos might have gotten the job done before yer one from Life of Agony.
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 26th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Hermy, I stand corrected.
Negativland says:
January 29th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
This page is now linked to our Facebook page! Posts here show up in FB… but not the other way around…
PhantomGuitarist says:
January 30th, 2012 at 5:21 am
Now I can talk to myself and Negativland fans can watch on FB… the power of the internet!!!
finnius says:
February 8th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
The short list:

The Goon Show (50′s-60′s/)
Firesign Theater (60′s-80′s)
Over The Edge/Negativland (80′s-???)

also, a quick question: is it safe to purchase archived OTE shows again…or is the site still wonky?
Negativland says:
February 8th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
NO. Totally NOT safe to do so yet. Big changes soon, but right now it’s still wacky. What shows are you interested in?
finnius says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Well to start i would want the 5 or 6 shows in the 80′s section. I would have to check and see which ones i already have…
finnius says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:15 am
…also, if anyone is interested in trading…i have all the shows that were on the old (now extinct) ‘venom’ site…all the old kpfa archives, and many bought from this site…
Rich in Washington says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
@Finnius:

There aren’t any airchecks of Firesign Theater radio shows prior to 1970, unless they have yet to be unearthed by FT’s archivist Taylor Jessen.
All shows found thus far are compiled on the excellent Duke of Madness Motors set, available from Seeland Records. All shows were restored and it contains nearly the complete run of programs by all four Fireheads (Radio Hour Hour, Let’s Eat, Dear Friend, etc.), save for a few missing shows.
I’m not sure if Peter Bergman ever recorded proper airchecks of his show that preceded Firesign, Radio Free Oz. I doubt it. Tape was expensive and it being a weekly show, I doubt he recorded any of it. I could be wrong.

We’re airing random Firesign shows on Portland OR’s KBOO Community Radio – with Firesign Theater’s kind permission – hosted by yours truly.
They’re on every 1st and 4th Monday at 10pm Pacific time.
I really can’t recommend the Duke set enough, though. Not only do you get 80 hours of Firesign but the book is nothing short of amazing!
Negativland says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
We’re in the throes of revamping the site and cleaning up the OTE archives so that’s why things are still messy and dumb. We have all those shows, finnius, as well as every other OTE show ever recorded. But it’s just too much data!

I’m taking suggestions – how do you want your OTE? We need to charge for them – Don does not get paid anything, and a little compensation would be nice for the man that brings it all to you practically every week. Do single downloads work? Would you, like the “This American Life” or Joe Frank fans, be into buying USB drives with whole ranges of shows on them?

And at what kinds of prices? Please discuss while I take notes…
Rich in Washington says:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
I like podcasts that do the monthly access thing.
Prices usually range from $3 to $6. I would imagine that more mainstream, more popular podcasts would be more. I have no idea.
If the bitrate was decent, I would be willing to shell out something like $2 a show. If you – like me – live outside of KPFA’s broadcast range, the sound quality of the live stream and KPFA’s archives are abysmal.
While $2 bucks may not seem like a lot, that’s four shows a month, fifty-something a year (give or take the odd schedule).
That’s my two cents.
PhantomGuitarist says:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
I’m sure this was all discussed many years ago. I have paid for some OTE in the past, before the site went kablooie, and would pay again. I have a fairly extensive personal archive gotten from various web portals, but the avid collector in me makes me want all I can get… I’d say £3 a show, whatever that would be in dollars. From what I remember the prices last time were good and a bulk discount is always appreciated. For bulk I’d say USB drive could be good way to deliver a whole wack of shows, or a DVDR.

I’d like to second the Duke of Motors recommendation, a great set that is. Oh, and IAIYHFM vol 2.0 please. True/False live DVD. Boopers for sale…
Negativland says:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
It was discussed, but that was years ago, so I’m taking the temperature again!

£3 is about $6 or so, innit? And I remember a $5 price from years ago. Is that what downloadable entertainment costs in general these days? We’re making $0 now, so we want to set a price above that but that fits in with what people would be willing to spend to support Don and the program.

I like USB drives, myself. Seems like OTE listeners would be into getting a huge slab of audio at a time.
PhantomGuitarist says:
February 10th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
I would agree with that, very likely that anyone that is a regular OTE listener is not put of by many many hours of sound…

Is the plan to do away with the current system of previous months shows being free and a paid for archive? Or would recent shows still be free? Just wondering. Selling USB drives with particular sets would be popular, I’d imagine.
Negativland says:
February 10th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
The paid-for archive has not worked properly in some time. Finnius has just realized this!

The plan would be to offer the most recent show as a free download with archived shows available for cost. But OTE is far too big for any given server. So we could only offer a few shows for download in any case. We could certainly make up USB drives with a custom list of shows, though. We’re looking into this.
mat catastrophe says:
February 11th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Here’s a pretty good idea that, like most of my ideas, is probably insanely complicated and unworkable, yet is really good….

At least, that’s how I think about my ideas. YMMV.

I’m guessing that all these digitized OTE shows already exist on some computer, somewhere. So, instead of just loading them all on a webserver, why not get some whizbang computer kid to code up some kind of webapp that would allow us to browse a database of all the shows and, when we select one and pay for it, that show is loaded onto the webserver and then the file is wiped from the server once the show is downloaded (yes, there’s a lot of tricky technical stuff there I’m sure)…

Now, that would cover the need to have the entire archive online and you could still offer 10 – 20 “best shows” each month and/or the USB sticks. Or something.
finnius says:
February 13th, 2012 at 10:24 am
I remember years ago when we were discussing putting the entire collection on terabyte drives for sale…and i for one would DEFINNATELY pay for that. (especially because there are a huge amount of shows that are not listed on the OTE page that ARE available, and could we pretty please get those as well)

if a huge harddrive would be prohibitive, maybe 32 or 64 gig flash drives…anyway, I would say that most of the true fans would support this type of offer…just include the cost of the flashcard in the price…

as for the Goon show, i have all the remastered recordings that have been released, and a bunch that have been floating around.

as for Firesign Theater, does anyone have a complete collection of the ‘stoned live radio’? I have a partial..but would like to complete that set.
finnius says:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
I was re-reading some of the earlier posts and I wanted to mention that I have my copy of the True/False VHS that I also converted to dvd…(At the House of Blues, Chicago, IL April 11, 2000 122min. (Pro Shot)copy 41/100)…if Negativland wants/needs a copy of that dvd…
Negativland says:
February 15th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Finnius, Negativland needs any copy you’ve got. Contact me off this board!
Negativland says:
February 24th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
Mat – that’s probably something like what we’ll do. There are no script kiddies to help out, though. This is all me, so custom webapps – prolly not going to happen…
FuckRightOff says:
March 25th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
So um … have you ever considered suing Apple using Musit as prior art?

http://web.archive.org/web/20030621060605/http://www.diecorp.net/flash/musit.html
PhantomGuitarist says:
April 21st, 2012 at 5:31 am
Liking the (slightly) new look of the site. OTE still to be sorted (a mammoth task I am sure). But liking the login for the shop and ability to write reviews etc. Some new product in there would be cool
Hermy says:
May 9th, 2012 at 1:39 am
A pity to see the old site gone and with it all the links to old shows. Unlike the two times before (when the old, old site went away and kpfa removed their archive) I’m glad I downloaded all I could. There’s just no radio show to compare and it’s great to listen back to.
Still, I hope this new format works out for ye in radioland and for us listeners. Long live OTE.
Negativland says:
May 9th, 2012 at 6:32 am
From yr. webmaster: We’d like to keep offering the free links, but they were never actually part of the plan. They were there because the site was broken, and we all took advantage of that. So now the site is stable and “works” for a change.

If we could find any entity that would host our one billion Gb of data that comprises OTE we’d also be have that up on permanent display, but that’s getting harder to find under “web 2.0.” Not as much call for unlimited storage as you might think. “Unlimited” to a web company means a very different thing than it does to literal thinkers like me.
Rich in Washington says:
May 9th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Have you thought of approaching the folks who do UBU.Web to see if they’d be willing to host the vast OTE archive?
They’re like the Swiss bankers of surreal and experimental audio. Maybe they’d be willing to do it.
PhantomGuitarist says:
June 15th, 2012 at 6:49 am
WAH has gone all silent again, also the OTE page seems to be quiet too. Have Negativland finally visited the Pepsi Cola Can In The Sky?
Negativland says:
June 15th, 2012 at 10:28 am
from your lowly webmaster:
Yeah, the traffic in WAH has been steadily diminishing all along. Lively things are happening on the accursed Facebook, but that does not help us here. I’m supposed to start a new WAH page and see what happens, but I’ve been a bit burdened lately. We’ll give it a whirl and see what happens!